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MaCarBre

When he is speaking about predicting future, he's generally referring to perceiving energy forms of tendencies people carry within, thus he can intuitively know how those tendencies will play out (intuition being just skipping few reasoning steps to reach conclusion faster). >The base digit can be used to predict future possibilities, based on the past accumulations of karma and the present expressions of the prarabdha. He often says that you can predict future of a fool, but can't predict the future of someone who is intelligent. For me it's common sense that determinisms is there to an extent, but the question is weather he has this perceiving capability. I never seen him specifically demonstrate it, and he often talks about hindering people's spiritual progress if they start doing such a thing in Isha. Using various Siddhis (various powers that manifest from attaining various Samadhi and Samyama states) opens one to vast dimension of a mind, that people can get lost in and miss the ultimate. >That's why I said even doing the yoga kriyas is a kind of occult. In another way, it's not the same thing. There are many people here who have gone through intense sadhana. If they want to use their energies to heal or predict people's future or anything like that, they can do it very easily. They have the capability to sit in the city and make a lot of money or whatever, but if they even as much as look into somebody else's mind, I just push them back, for one point, ten points down. They know that, so they don't dare do it. People who think they have more compassion than others, stupid compassion, misplaced compassion, want to do everything for everybody. Such people who would like to do such things, we just roll back their life, because they do not know that in their foolishness they will acquire unnecessary karma for themselves and others. If it was just going to affect them, then it is up to them what they do. "Oh, out of my compassion, I want to relieve somebody. I don't care if I gather karma; it's okay." You could be thinking like this, but it is not so. You cause harm even to the person that you meddle with. In both ways it is harmful. There is no point in allowing it unless you have the mastery over doing things with yourself and with situations, so that occult karma is created and dissolved right there. If I do any occult, I create a situation, a kind of boundary within which occult karma is created and right there it is dissolved. Only then I step into that realm. If I just walk out of that situation without dissolving the karma, it's a huge karma. Here's is [another example of Guru scolding of his disciple](https://youtu.be/0AZU8S9F0yI?t=555) for using his powers. You can look at this as an excuse to not succumb to scientific testing, but if you make an assumption that there is more to spiritual dimension than these powers, it's not at far fetched reason. If you make an assumption it's possible to perceive this things, there is also a question of getting your perception distorted, about which Sadhguru is also aware of, thus he is cautious of displaying it, especially in light hearted and uncommitted scenarios people usually bring it up.


Adenosina23

Thank you this was amazing to read 😁🙏🏼


kannu_the_observer

I saw a video of some other swami (not Isha), where he said that this is the purpose of a long lineage of masters, as they can collectively bear the karma of future disciples who are initiated in that lineage. Do you think it is true? I trust Sadhguru but I wish he talked about his own lineage a bit more, talked about other masters in specifically from his own lineage ( he has only mentioned Agastya and Palani Swami). Kriya yoga is quite shrouded in mystery. Also can you talk about why these two are not mentioned in Guru Puja. I know you are not the authority on this, just wish to hear your thoughts on this.


MaCarBre

>this is the purpose of a long lineage of masters, as they can collectively bear the karma of future disciples who are initiated in that lineage I can see how this could be true, but I wouldn't say that this is THE purpose of having a lineage. The fact that someone comes from a well established lineage also doesn't automatically imply that the lineage operates in such a way. Even if it does, I would say that it's more of a natural consequence of interpersonal relationships. If you devotee yourself to a Guru, it's only natural that they do the same to you. Ramana Maharishi didn't have a stereotypical lineage either, but you don't see people complaining about him. In his own words, the purpose of a Guru is to be like a water dam, and only letting that amount of water (energy) that disciple can handle. He even tried [enlightening a different Pananiswami](https://www.davidgodman.org/the-power-to-enlighten/2/), but didn't succeed. As far as my spiritual growth is concerned, I don't really care if there is some second cousin of Sadhguru sitting up there, helping Sadhguru to easy up my tendencies, because I would like to break them myself anyway. If some help comes or not is only a bonus, not something I seek to get. As for Guru Pooja, I think Sadhguru Sri Brahma is mentioned in Guru Pooja at [03:28](https://youtu.be/vMj_asBAiKA?t=208) (brahmAnanda sarasvatIm cha **shrI brahmam**), but I'm not sure. The rest of the Pooja is very similar to [Guru Pooja thought in Maharishi Mahesh organization](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfYxlmWiFFk) (where that same part looks like this: (brahmAnanda sarasvatIm guruvaraM). Since Rishi Prabhakar attended TM teaching, and Sadhguru Prabhakar's, Sadhguru probably got the Pooja from TM and modified it a bit. Not sure how it propagates and if Maharishi Mahesh devised it himself or just modified it also. Didn't look into it further.


kannu_the_observer

Thanks for the prompt response. Did you edit the answer, looks a bit different than before. Sadhguru is my Guru, I have no doubts about that, because I have had enough of spiritual shopping, that continuous searching for the best method/meditation, best teacher, devouring many books on spirituality and yogis, looking for miracles. My thirst for knowledge is quenched, as I find it leads to nowhere but bloated mind. Another kind of thirst is building up, but not really intense due to my own lethargy and laziness. Hope I get there someday. Just wondered about the questions above, thanks for answering.🙏


MaCarBre

Yeah, I edited links and added the part about Guru Pooja. I also hope somebody publicly askes Sadhguru about this relationship between TM and Rishi Prabhakar, for the purposes of me being simply curious about what his answer would be.


whatfutureamI

Thank you for your reply. You offered some new perspectives that I didn’t think of. I need to take some time to think about this.


northwesthonkey

Wow, you people actually buy this horseshit.


MaCarBre

There is a lot of potential horseshit mentioned, so you would have to be more specific where do you draw the line.


polkaamon

What he said is true. Actually any one who can communicate with his higher-self has the ability to predict the future.


whatfutureamI

How do you know that?


polkaamon

If you keep practicing isha yoga everyday or practicing other meditations like zen, a course in light, you will know that.


whatfutureamI

I do vipassana. Been to couple of 10 day courses. I did have a slight out of body experiences. But coming out of it, I could see how it’s all in the head. People, deep inside, want to believe in mystics, and a mind experiences (which you can also get from weed and psychedelics), seems very validating to our need to believe in mystics. If this really exist, should Sadhguru and others be able to prove that there are illogical things in the world.


polkaamon

If you practice every day, not only attend a 10 day curse, 3-6 months later something will change inside you. The way you experience the world will change. There are illogical things. I think Sadhguru or other gurus don't have to prove that. Because one can only know it by him/herself. It's not a belief one should believes. About those illusions arising in your mind while you do meditations, some of them are true. Some maybe happened in your past lives. A book called Soul Retrieval talks about that.


whatfutureamI

Is it Soul Retrieval: Mending the Fragmented Self Also another question - if souls did exist, how come the population is growing? Like shouldn’t it be the same?


polkaamon

Yes this book. It's about shamanic healing.


polkaamon

About souls and population: Now on the earth, there are a lot of souls called star seeds coming from other planets. You may read the book 1)The Law of One and 2)The Ancient Secret of the Flower of Life. These two books maybe seem like cult... You will find the answer.


Black-Patrick

Impermanence.


whatfutureamI

Hey is that the book?


whatfutureamI

Hey is that the book?


BigSarge269

Remember on you tube you get snips of his entire message. I have found a “substance” in his teaching that is what has been missing in 30 years of listening to almost every denomination of preacher or priest known to the modern church. And here is the thing, they all teach some of the basic fundamental Truths. But the explanation of Lord Shiva that he gives, unravels so many mysteries that has been my “box” of the Judeo-Christian God.


potniaburning

Masters can move mountains, but part of being a master is knowing the mountain is fine where it is


InsertFaith

That was quantum mystics


smurphylee420

Keep digging if you really want to know. If you don’t really want to know you’ll stop digging eventually so no need to fret. 😉


marvellousBeing

Haha I love the phrasing of your title. I would say those are mostly stories to keep you entertained. The real deal are the practices, it may not change anything to your life but you have to do it everyday and everything will be well in the end.


whatfutureamI

So are you saying that he is lying to keep us entertained? Or as far as it is concerned to me, just take it as stories?


marvellousBeing

That wouldn't be very nice to call these lies would it ? Take those as stories until you can relate to them, don't let them distract you and focus on the actuality of your life. What actually impacts your life ?


whatfutureamI

Thank you for your replies!


wescola

He aint lyin


InsertFaith

You are trying to reason and dissect he says by using the knife of the intellect. certain things cannot be conveyed on the level of mind. better keep that intellect knife in the holster. you dont want it to get dull


pskroes

People in this thread have a real hard time distinguishing not wanting to show off with providing the burdon of proof. Like the way some people confuse someone's energy readings that has predictive values to your own intuitions from past experiences that has proven to be reasonably reliant. Seriously I don't want to attack anyone. I believed this kind of spirituality stuff for more than a decade.


whatfutureamI

You believed or you still believe?