And Learn Gun Safety.
(Everyone should do this, gun owner or not.)
Where can one learn gun safety? Gun ranges?
There are plenty of firearm training and safety courses one can sign up for.
Ranger Masters in Clive offered several classes.
Gun ranges oftentimes offer classes. You can also usually contact the county sheriff for information on gun safety lessons, usually from private instructors. You used to need to take a class to get a concealed carry permit iirc.
You can also take the test online without taking a class in person
As much as the liberals hate them, the NRA does legitimately have quality gun safety and operations instructors and classes. Typically if you Google gun instructors and find a private company that claims NRA qualifications, you can assume they will give you good information.
That company is run by an Iowa State University police officer (Captain maybe?) who is excellent. Classes are in Ames
I train and shoot with Darin of CWR. Great guy with A LOT of knowledge. In fact I’m taking a class with him next month
Uh don't point at people.. finger off trigger.. keep chamber empty? Like 18 yr olds in the military can do it. Just keep them away from the mentally ill (the bad boys)
Almost like it should be taught in schools.
It used to be taught as an optional class with a couple sessions in our PE class in middle school. You had to have a permission slip and waver signed by your parents to take it. We even got to shoot at targets with BB guns in the gym at the end of each session. Good times, kind of.
Vision and hearing safety has come a long way!
I'm all for an elective that teaches fundamentals leading to possible marksmanship competition, but I'm referring to much more basic safety classes. Hollywood is teaching more people how guns work than informed instructors, and that hasn't worked out well for sexual education.
Right, sex ed shouldn’t be taught in schools but gun safety should.
And when kids start getting even more gun related injuries at school I’m sure parents will be thrilled. Rural families will be especially thrilled when the school has to close because it can’t pay the teachers and staff after spending all the taxpayers money on medical bills for a student who got shot or a wrongful death lawsuit or something.
Absolutely no way this plan could go wrong, and certainly no reasonable arguments against the plan.
They should both be taught in schools. As well as handling finances, cooking, psychology, etc.
Ok, and who pays for the medical care when a student gets shot/injured and how much do parents get paid is their child gets killed?
Also how much is it going to cost to buy guns and ammunition for all the students and do we bus them to a gun range or do we spend the money building gun ranges at schools?
Again, can totally see why this would be a good idea, but I can also see this being an expensive and tragic mistake that leads to the closure of rural schools.
Except it has been done for decades, and no one said anything about live guns anywhere? It's safety education, get a grip.
I said nothing about banning sex ed, and I didn't start on you about "well, better shut down the school after all the kids get gonorrhea', because that's the opposite of how education works. Teach people gun education just like sex education, and they might possibly learn to be more responsible.
Abstinence from gun education is part of how we ended up in this state of affairs.
>Abstinence from gun education is part of how we ended up in this state of affairs
The top 15 states for gun violence are all red states. We ended up in this state of affairs because red states make it far too easy to get a gun and routinely cut millions from mental health services.
But sure, blame anything other than the failed policies of the NRA. Even Cornyn says the reason the NRA opposes gun control is because it messes with their “business model”. In other words the NRA profits from gun violence.
Agreed. I’m liberal as it gets. I learned gun safety and decided to get guns for protection.
I’m a leftist who advocates for the arming of the proletariat. We need to protect ourselves and our country from creeping fascism.
Arming is good, but training is imperative.
Let's link up.
Agreed. Solidarity is good and is more than just shooting. We need a reliable network to lean on.
Let's organize a network. 2A is based on "A well regulated militia" after all 🤷♂️
I’m for it. Are there any leftist friendly gun ranges or meeting spaces? I realize the second is a broad request
There are multiple ranges that don't care what your political leanings are.
If you are truly interested in learning your way around firearms. While I am not a NRA firearms instructor, I am more than willing to get anyone started on how to be safe with firearms of all types.
For the greater DSM area, I highly suggest getting a membership to any of the Izaak Walton League ranges.
I am a member of the Ankeny Ikes and I like that range a lot.
Thanks for the suggestion. I’m prior military but need a refresher. Guns and shooting are a perishable skill.
I've been a member of Ankeny Ike's for years. I highly recommend their range. It's an outdoor facility with several bays set up for pistol and rifle use. There isn't typically staff on site, so you're left alone to do your shooting.
Dude gun ranges aren’t checking party credentials at the door
My fiance says ankeny gun club might be a solid place. He thinks one of his former flight students works there and identifies politically as a democrat gun owner.
I’ll look into it, thanks!
Guns are for everyone not just “right wingers”. Most people toting guns a) you’ll never know they’re there b) don’t give a dang about your political views, only if you have proper trigger discipline and aight alignment.
I’m in as well. Would definitely be up for getting together with more experienced folks. Grew up around guns but am definitely really fucking rusty.
I'm a liberal who owns dozens of firearms, and trains with them regularly. I'm interested.
Solidarity, my friend. These are dark times and i only anticipate it getting worse, especially in iowa.
Learning to be a responsible gun owner? What a radical idea.
See y'all at the range.
Regardless of political leanings, I believe that everyone who can be responsible gun owners, should be able to own and if need be carry firearms.
Rangemasters on Hickman is a decent shop to use for firearms transfers, and they offer training classes.
I would be happy to show anyone who has interest the facilities at the Ankeny Izaak Walton League, since it is a member only range and it access controlled. As mentioned elsewhere it is an outdoor range, but it is summer right now.
I am also a certified M16 armorer so if you have questions about that, I would be happy to help.
Center target 500m Range Qual high 😉 many moons ago
We already do. We’re just not in everybody’s face about it.
Let's start getting in faces, then!
Why? So we can all sound like a bunch of assholes? Why do you need to get in faces about carrying a firearm?
You sound like you're threatening to kill people. No offense.
That’s not what we do, tho. That’s why you don’t see Biden shirts or signs up. It’s why republicans thought the election was stolen because they don’t understand why we don’t treat Biden like an idol.
I do believe in your right to carry, it’s not just a right for those on my team.
Excuse my ignorance but doesn’t the constitution say “arms”? That doesn’t mean a gun or just means you have a right to own and carry a weapon.
NO GUN IS EVER UNLOADED UNTIL YOU CHECK AND VERIFY. IF YOU EVER PUT THE GUN DOWN AND EVEN IF YOU DO NOT LET IT OUT OF YOUR SIGHT CHECK AND VERIFY. NEVER ASSUME THE GUN IS IS UNLOADED.
One Liberal gun owner to another. Edit: Hell one liberal gun owner to anyone. Nobody needs to lose their life because of carless firearms handling.
Shorten this rule to “a gun is ALWAYS loaded until you remove the barrel”.
- Keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire
- Never point the barrel at something you don’t want to put a hole in, even if you “know” it is unloaded
- Always be aware of your target and what is beyond it before firing
Agreed. Thanks for adding what I missed
Curious and forgot to ask at training, what state should a gun be in when carrying (concealed or open, not in a box)? Aim is to be able to use quickly, but what is the safety procedure?
There is not a single answer as different weapons work differently and exact circumstances matter.
How about double action handgun in holster while walking down a street with groceries, with intent to use quickly if necessary?
I don't carry concealed but I would assume those who do would have a gun that is loaded if it is a revolver I would hope like hell they have the safety on. For a magazine fed gun I would assume full clip but not one in the chamber. Not sure on the consensus opinion. I would second what haneybird says.
In all seriousness, guns aren't toys folks. If you can't watch fox/CNN for more than 5 minutes without loosing your temper, you probably don't have the emotional maturity/stability necessary to be a responsible firearms owner.
You can open carry pepper spray too, and you'll look equally as goofy and intimidating as a chucklehead that open carries a pistol in town.
You can conceal carry it too, like most people do with pistols.
That's the thing, the people who would be most responsible with a firearm are the ones who are least likely to own one.
The ego displayed in that statement is exactly what I'm talking about. Take a serious look at yourself and your self awareness/maturity before making a serious decision like purchasing a firearm.
The people who are the most responsible firearms owners are the trained ones, ingorance of firearms combined with a big ego is a potentially fatal combination.
The NRA doesn’t care about the rights of gun owners. They care about selling as many guns as possible for arms manufacturers. Liberals buying guns is their dream.
I was with you in the beginning, and going to wish you well, but then you got violent?
Do you even know what they did? Just reset us back more than 50 years. Maybe try some of that education yourself.
Okay. Don’t know what to tell you. Do you not consider carrying a loaded weapon around in public for intimidation purposes a violent act? It is absolutely a violent act. Violence doesn’t have to involve bloodshed to be violence.
I mean, thousands of Iowans carry in this city every day. It's extremely rare that they are violent. When you talk about punching strangers you've never met, that sounds violent.
It is violent. But some bullies only understand violence.
Crippling mental health you say? Well sonny you just hopped right up to the front of the line to gun ownership!
It’s not completely crippling. I’m a completely functional person in society, at my job, and with my family. Actually I function better than most people.
I didn’t mean any offense, I use dark sarcasm a lot when I relate things to myself and my own experiences and often project that outward to other peoples’ situation because that’s part of how I deal with myself. I completely understand what you mean I’m the same way, I’ve attempted suicide twice in my life. Through counseling and a lot of self reflection and work I’m to the point where I accept who and what I am and while I still have severe bouts of depression and even thoughts of suicide I’ll never actually do it now. My best friend recently hung himself to death which further solidified the fact I won’t ever do the same.
I’m sorry about your friend and your situation. And sorry I was shitty about it. Things don’t always translate on here.
No worries, keep on keeping on 🙏
Sounds like a great idea tbh
Fellow liberal gun owner currently getting trained in NW Iowa. We have to be careful not to openly advocate violence but I am down for a “liberal militia” that leans heavily on training. Would be happy to help from a hand to hand standpoint as well.
> liberal militia
Careful, this borders on fed posting
Is this Wayne LaPierre’s burner account?
I’m a conservative independent who agrees with this. All Americans should exercise their constitutional rights.
I want a gay married couple to defend their weed farm with fully automatic weapons. (its an old meme but still true).
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This is the way.
But who decides what *my* Constitutional Rights are? The founding fathers? The 1973 SCOTUS? The 2022 SCOTUS? Some future SCOTUS?
All SCOTUS does is decide what something in place says and works with rhe rest. It's up to legislature to make it correct in the first place or fix the problem.
Real issue with Roe, for example, was pointed out frequently by Justice Ginsburg. It was too much put in place by a SCOTUS decision and should be legislative.
A SCOTUS decision should not be trusted as concrete, need to make some "ourselves" through legislature.
If it’s listed in the constitution, then it’s a constitutional right. Anything else is reserved for the states.
Not to be this person, but have you actually traced what's considered a 'constitutional right"? The constitution may be the basis for them, but starting in 1803 when the supreme court declared it was THEIR constitutionally granted power to interpret it, those exact words have been given a whole bunch of different meanings.
There are like 4-5 regularly used methods of interpretation for the constitution and you can essentially decide what you want the answer to be and then draft an answer accordingly using those methods and then proudly state it's the correct interpretation.
That kind of purist absolutist thinking is how the Civil War started.
And why we are headed to the next one.
I'd say balkanization is more likely.
Ideally, with fewer war crimes
Well, not the future.
As a conservative, I agree whole-heartedly.
Weren’t you all wanting to get rid of them just a couple weeks ago?
Exactly. The same people who want to ban guns are now wanting guns, but many will go back to wanting to ban them.
Liberals don't want to ban guns, they want basic, common sense gun law reform
Like, allowing the ATF to use computers would be a good start
"The times, they are a changin..."
Hell yeah, brother! Welcome to the team!
This is America. We all have guns.
Can find some likeminded folks in r/LiberalGunOwners
Everyone should own a gun, left, right, top, bottom, sideways, green, purple, yellow, straight, bent, or anything else you classify yourself as, unless you don't feel safe owning one for whatever reason (depression, mental illness, etc).
You should take a class on how to properly carry, use, and clean said gun, seriously.
With your first gun purchase, PLEASE buy a quality safe to store it.
That's literally what conservatives want. If everybody has a gun mass shooters would have a lot harder time not immediately getting shot
I’d be happier if you all just voted consistently in every election.
The government has drones...
Nothing against guns, I do think it should be a bit more to obtaining the conceal to carry. You sit in a classroom for a few hours? There should be required range time maybe or a training course... I mean we all had to do that to drive right so makes sense to me anyway; maybe other things but my point was what are guns going to do against a tyranical government with drones and who knows what else at the push of a button lol
As a concealed carry permit holder, I 100% agree with your point about the need for more training.
As to the question, "what are guns going to do against a tyrannical government with drones and who knows what else at the push of a button"?, I'd posit the follow up.
What are you going to do against a tyrannical government without guns?
Yes, I can agree there's more of a chance with than without.
I can't help but imagine thinking it might go something like that movie "the conspiracy"
> what are guns going to do against a tyranical government with drones and who knows what else at the push of a button lol
As a conservative I hope you exercise your right to keep and bare (sp?) arms.
Now I may not agree with everything y’all say or do but yes. Everybody if they can should use their second amendment right. To not not only protect themselves but to be able to defend their family as well.
"Shall not be infringed", right?
Let's get some RPGs and goooooooo!!!!!!!!
Fuck I wish I had an rpg😂😂😂
Not impossible 🤔
Prohibitively expensive tho. The tubes are cheap but good luck finding functional grenades and then its a $200 tax stamp & destructive device application for each one.
Same with grenade launchers. $200 was ridiculously expensive in the thirties, but that's still a lot per round.
Can’t wait to use my second amendment right to defend others rights and family against the government!
It's the system that needs to be fearful of gun owners, not people who disagree with one another.
Are there any gun shops in or around the city that aren’t run by turbo-fuckheads? I’ve been feeling like it’s time to get armed but I have yet to actually set foot in a shop because I’m worried the person behind the counter is gonna be some hatefully ignorant bigot who is gonna give me a hard time.
I like jt guns, but you can also go to bass pro, scheels, fleet farm, sportsman's warehouse.
I’m not liberal but that’s what I try to tell people, but no, most think I’m fucking crazy.
Even if you don't want one in your home, get training, get a permit, buy a gun that you know how to use, seal it in some PVC and bury it in a field for all I care.
Exercise your rights, and respect the dangers that come with them, all of them.
I already have three guns. What I’m trying to say is that I was trying to tell people that in these times, you should probably invest in a gun.
Funny part about this is most people that run around screaming about their 2nd amendment rights couldn't tell you a thing about the rest of the amendments.
Funny thing is you couldn't be further from the truth.
The 2nd is the only one people are telling them they are wrong for exercising, so it does get a lot of attention.
Most of them relating to criminal and court proceedings doesn't exactly help keep them distinctly separate when memorizing, though.
If you don't think 2A advocates value property rights, free speech, fair trials, privacy, security from armed forces, and keeping the government from imposing unjust fines or punishments, you haven't met many people.
I would believe you if you said the **only** law they know is the bill of rights? sure, maybe that.
I guarantee you that if you walk up to a person buying a gun and ask them to name all the amendments and what they are for they will fail. I know because I've tried it.
> Funny part about this is _most people that run around screaming about their *2nd amendment rights*_
> walk up to _a person buying a gun and ask them to name *all the amendments*_
What sound do those goalposts make as they move?
Ever watch a Jordan Klepper video, its a lot like that. You see them actually stop functioning and then they struggle using words before spouting some dumb shit like "this is the only one under attack!".
So the sound those goalposts make is "unhinged rant"?
If Kyle Rittenhouse taught us anything it was that right wingers think it’s virtuous to shoot liberals with ar-15s and they think they shouldn’t be punished for it.
All of those psychopaths are armed to the teeth. I should be too.
With how easy it is to get your carry permit there isn’t really an excuse to not have it in this state.
Laziness and the recognition of constitutional carry, unfortunately.
Always a good idea to get the permit if it's still offered.
Other than the fact that you don’t need a permit in Iowa, yeah
Unless you simply don’t want it.
I love this
I’ve been thinking this as well.
I’ve also been thinking how opposites become so opposing that they are beginning to align. Republicans are scared of their rights being taken away, gun rights, but rights nonetheless. Democrats are (justly) also scared of their rights being taken away.
Either way, liberals need to arm as an appropriate defense. Don’t bring a knife to a fun fight.
Yeah, you can totally ruin a fun fight by bringing a knife to it. Stabbings take the fun out if it.
Bingo. Left and right need to come together before shit hits the fan. 50 percent of the country legitimately hates the other 50 percent for no other reason than they've been brainwashed to believe it's the other sides fault. I like to joke around and troll quite a bit but I have several friends and family members on both sides of the aisle and we all get along pretty damn good because we communicate and have a sense of community. We all need more of that. Liberals and conservatives all need to arm up, but realize the fight is not truly against each other.
Seeing anyone with an open carry or gun on their hip makes me extremely uncomfortable in a public place. I'm immediately on high alert because I have no way to know if that person is about to commit a mass shooting. I won't do that to another person.
You don't know if someone concealed carrying is, either.
The MAGA crowd is reaching a fever pitch and the calls for violence has been increasing. Unfortunately more guns on opposing sides is going to mean more bloodshed. Everything the progressives predicted is coming true.
Is it progressive to let the fascists be the ones with all the guns? How do you think that will turn out?
Amazing you've put the onus on progressives when the MAGA crowd has the culture of hoarding and using guns
Perhaps we show them what more guns on both sides looks like.
More guns = more death.
Actually, if you take California as an example, arming a bunch of black people in front of the capitol is actually the fastest way to get republicans to pass gun control measures...
Ol Ronny even teamed up with the NRA to pass [those restrictions](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act), lol
He sure did! Shocker right there lol
Are all the NFA rules gone? Can I put a 12" barrel on my 870? And a folding stock and sling to conceal it under my coat? I plan on enforcing crosswalk laws. I'm just a liberal pedestrian.
You can do all those things, but the NFA still applies, and you will still have a very bad time with the ATF.
That's great. I like Darin because he knows so much and he can explain everything without an emotional charge. Everyone is welcome in his classes
I'm a conservative and I 100% support your post. Since the riots of 2020 and the rapid increase in violent crime in our big cities the fastest demographic of new gun owners have been liberals and women. The right welcomes all law abiding gun owners. If you want gun safety training the NRA welcomes you.
I sure wish there was another organization as universally recognized for training and gun safety certification.
We could use some alternatives, despite the safety training being largely unchanged for the last 70 years. Wayne is just not a good look.
This is more loaded than the guns the NRA promotes.
There's other pro-gun organizations without the toxicity, like the SRA
Isn't the NRAs outreach budget a little low now that Russia is bankrupt though
Capital is the city, capitol is the building. You’d think people would have figured this out a year an a half ago.
I'll do some digging if there's interest. Hard to find libtard gun intheustiests here.
My husband! We don’t identify as liberal (more independent), but we sure as hell aren’t right wing.
why? half the liberals in Iowa wouldn't know which end the projectile comes out of and the other half would be too busy trying to use it as a sex toy
If anyone is having sexual relations with their guns it's definitely the conservatives lmao
You need to get out there and meet sexier guns.
You go on believing that.
It's so easy to lull you into compliancy 🤫
My dude, I'm in the Army. Which is to say, I spend a lot of time with Conservatives who are trained by the government, and most of them can't fucking shoot to save their lives (possibly literally). Plenty are "good ol' boi" types too, they're actually usually the worst 😂
meanwhile the dumb fuck conservative rednecks would shoot anyone that comes within a 1 mile radius because they are way too hyped to kill someone.
Branch Davidians: "Oh no, our roof is on fire! Who could have seen this coming? Why are we all dying horrible deaths?"
Because the liberals can't shoot? 🤣🤣🤣
The government burned innocent people alive there.
Not a joking matter.
Thanks for joining hands with the right to prove that in America, No Live Matter.
Ya fucking asshole.
Pretty sure that was a MAGA trend of pointing loaded guns at their dicks to "own the libs"
This is the purpose of the second amendment. To hold your elected officials accountable when they no longer serve you.
Just remember to invest the time in training, practice, and safe storage options.
If you're going to carry, remember to be cool and levelheaded. If you're prone to temper or impulsivity, consider a less-lethal.
I'd be happy to walk something through the basics at Rangemasters. YouTube has plenty of material on the mechanics of handgun marksmanship - plenty of left-leaning personalities at that.
I _can't_ support open carry - open carry is for attention rather than defense_ but understand you need to be especially aware of your surroundings. Don't let unfamiliar hands near that holster.
Obligatory plug for r/liberalgunowners and r/SocialistRA
Gun safety and ownership shouldn’t be a political issue. Most conservatives would agree with you to carry in all those places; however, most conservatives would probably think you’re somewhat of a douche for open carrying in those places…at least the ones I was taught from
My wife is an NP at one of the local Planned Parenthood clinics. She's scared about what work is going to look like next week for her and whether this will empower people to be more forceful at her clinic, especially given that area of town. I would bet she'd feel safer if she knew there were some supporters there helping out.
As a more lib right individual, I would love to see the liberals arm up. The second amendment is not a second class right. Just be interested for a lot of people at more right wing events to ask you about your AK’s and compare them to their AR’s (which will probably be at home), the armed society is a polite one
I've been saying this for years.
Conservative here: i think I speak for all of us when I say, Welcome to the club! ♥️ I proudly support you flexing your rights to protect yourself and those you love. See you at the range. 👍
Conservative here. We fully support all citizens right to legally bear firearms. 👍
Every conservative in Iowa should stop making babies with their siblings.
Interest g idea, but I think. This is still dumb. Guns and pregnant woman do not mix.
I hate the idea of mixing the idea that guns are used to protect.
They are 100% lethal, and have no purpose but to inflict lethal damage.
No way I would carry a gun next to a pregnant woman (nor any person) out of respect and safety.
Guns to me are supposed to. Be used in the middle of nowhere where Noone else can get hurt
I see we're still just pretending self defense doesn't exist
I know it's unpopular to think, but it's Tru. Whatever the situation is, a firearm just UPS the stakes. It makes the situation life or death when introduced.
If another fire arm is already In The situation, it doesn't "even the playing fields. The stakes remain the same.
Psychologically u feel safer, but that's all in one's head-fear
Ur statisticaly increasi g ur chance of death
Most gun stores are openly right wing. You wouldn’t last five minutes without REEEEE-ing. Second, if the seller does not believe you are responsible enough to own a gun (ex: you are a leftist) the won’t sell you one.
Weird. I’ve literally never had a single gun store ask me about my political views when buying a gun.
They don’t ask you but if you come in wearing an Antifa shirt or a pro-Biden tee, there will be extra scrutiny. If you smell of weed, most gun stores will kick you out right away. The gun stores can still make a determination whether or not to sell.
If they think you are sketchy, no sale. If you are looking at a gun and waving it around or pointing it at people, no sale.
Why do you assume someone who is liberal or a leftist is going to do any of that in a gun store?
Oh boy I love the avalanche of irony I'm seeing...
Liberals arming themselves and taking horse ulcer powder to induce abortion. Reddit, you funny AF