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Are you annoyed or offended about the new inclusive lgbtqia+ flag?

Are you annoyed or offended about the new inclusive lgbtqia+ flag?

Balbus-Lucius

I personally don’t really like it, it’s not very aesthetically pleasing, I never felt excluded from the original (or atleast latest design) of the flag, and like someone else said it reinforces the idea of being an afterthought. Also, being black or brown isn’t a sexuality :P I do like the ideas that the creators had for it though, they’re wholesome, and I’m glad that it makes people who need it feel good for sure, because we all need that in some way shape or form ! So yeah that’s that haha


Proffessional_Eater

Thanks for the answer! I think what I’ve heard other people reply with on my post is that the new flag is designed to shed light on how POCs are often an afterthought in the community and how we still have a problem with racism within the lgbt, so it was intended to raise more awareness for that. But I guess everyone has their own (valid) opinions. BTW: the flag represents Sexuality and gender identity, not that it matters, I’m sure you know that already


Balbus-Lucius

Yes that is true and I do like that about the flag, but I think it sorta backfired in a way at the same time, and also I sorta knew that, but I still think race doesn’t fit with it and stuff


butchqueennerd

Black gay man here When I first saw it, I didn’t care for it aesthetically. I actually thought it was ugly. But when I learned that the original designer, a QPOC, intended it to communicate that we as a community still need to make forward progress with regard to Black and brown people, and trans and intersex people, that changed my mind. Besides, it’s not like this is the first time the pride flag has ever changed; the original design had turquoise and pink.


Professional-Stock-6

I’m Black, Trans, and queer. I really like it. I think it serves its purpose. Like, especially being in the Trans community, I see how POC are rarely thought of or remembered. It sucks, so I think the “in-your-face” flag is needed


Parallax92

Black lesbian, and I feel mostly indifferent, but tbh it feels a bit like pandering. I ultimately prefer the plain ol rainbow 🏳️‍🌈 but I’m glad other flags exist for people who like them.


Proffessional_Eater

Thanks for the answer!


Parallax92

Thanks for asking!


Proffessional_Eater

I feel like as a white gay man it’s my responsibility to educate myself on the issue, because that’s the only way we can change this problem


blkicebear

I prefer the progress flag. While it sucks that it makes us seem like an afterthought to the queer community, that's literally how people think anyway. Many cishet people and many white queers don't acknowledge POC queers on the same level, it's disgusting really.


Proffessional_Eater

I find it absolutely disgusting as well. And it doesn’t make any sense either. Shouldn’t white queer people understand what is is like to be discriminated against for something you can’t change?


productmt

I definitely don’t care much for the changes. I think even in it’s best design attempt it kinda just reminds me that folks of color and trans folks are kinda afterthoughts to the LGBT community.


Proffessional_Eater

Well isn’t that kinda what it’s for? To remind people that these folks are still discriminated against even inside the community and spread that fact


teleporto-desuno

No


Proffessional_Eater

Thanks


pokethugg

Annoyed


Proffessional_Eater

Do you care to explain? What about it annoys you?


Sweet_Home_Alabama_

I like the motivation behind the all of the newer inclusions, but I don’t find the different parts of the flag aesthetically pleasing. I feel like the black and brown triangular lines clash with the colors of the traditional part of the flag. The triangle and straight lines parts are two different vibes. I’m sure I’ll grow to like it though.


Proffessional_Eater

You’re totally right. I don’t think the flags are made to look pretty tho 💀


nycanth

the reason the stripes were added in the first place is because poc were often being ignored or excluded from the conversation, so imo it served more as a reminder to everyone else that "hey, yeah, we're here as well". i do think that if we keep adding more to the progress flag it'll eventually become a mess(and we're probably there already), but i'm not opposed to it or annoyed by it. the communities added to the progress flag (trans/intersex/poc) are often left out of discussions or discriminated against even within the lgbt community.


Proffessional_Eater

Thanks for explaining it so well.


Diabhol

As a black man, I love it.


Proffessional_Eater

Ok, thanks for the answer!


Diabhol

Incidentally, I didn't feel excluded from the previous flag, but this design is significantly better than the one that simply adds brown and black stripes to the bottom (which just looks ugly). So, the old rainbow flag is cool and the inclusive one is even cooler.


Double_Pisces_223

I think the new flag is more specific. Usually POC are left out of lgbtq conversations & spaces unless you specifically say “lgbtq of color”


Proffessional_Eater

So you’d say it does actually add inclusivity?


Double_Pisces_223

Yes but either flag is fine with me. I’m not racist so the original flag already had POC included, I think the new flag is just a reminder for racist lgbtq members that queer POC d o Exist & need to be included in whatever topic is at hand


Proffessional_Eater

That’s very well put, thanks


saturdaystan

Haven’t seen this “new” flag Edit: saw it. Made my head hurt. I don’t know what any of that shit means lol


Proffessional_Eater

[This is it](https://images.app.goo.gl/3fF7zzLJBLzKJaQt8). It includes the transgender flag and the intersex one. The black and brown stripes are meant to represent the POC community within the lgbt community.


saturdaystan

Thank you. I love that there’s a flag for people that find that important. I, as a gay black man, still don’t feel included in the community.


Proffessional_Eater

Yes. I’ve heard there’s quite the problem with black people not being included enough. As a white man of the same orientation, I’d like to apologize that, it’s horribly unfair. So do I understand correctly: this flag doesn’t offend you? Thanks for the answer!


saturdaystan

1. I’m not offended by this flag or any other. 2. While I appreciate the apology I don’t think we need allies more than we need accomplices. The energy in that apology needs to be exerted when you find yourself in all white spaces. And for no reason.


Proffessional_Eater

I’m not around tons of racism, especially not with lgbt people. I’m 13 so there’s not tons I can do in terms of activism apart from apologizing for something caused by people of my race and orientation. And if someone was being racist around me, I’d 100% call them out on it and do my best to educate them.


saturdaystan

Well I think it’s beautiful that at such a young age you can see the human in people before anything else ❤️


Proffessional_Eater

Thank you so much for that, you really brightened up my night. Have a good day/night kind internet person.