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Macphestoo

Wouldn't that get shrunk too?


MD_bolt

He can't shrink things that work as extensions of living things, like chakra arms, susanoo, Naruto chakra cloak or that chidori here


NotCausedManatee

He shrunk Naruto's twin Rasengan.


MD_bolt

They are unlike chidori or chakra arms bruh


Macphestoo

Amado said he can shrink all non living things, no exceptions. Also Koji's flame fists got shrunk iirc.


MD_bolt

Amado said boruto is the key to victory against isshiki, that is amado yes And isshiki never shrink chakra arms, Naruto chakra cloak, susanoo or chidori, that all stand to my point


Katanateen33

You’re misunderstanding. In this exact scan he grabbed Sasuke’s arm coated in lighting. The reason he could do this is because he reduced Sasuke’s lightining on his arm so he wouldn’t get shocked. He can shrink and form of of justu even if the person has it in their hand.


MD_bolt

How u know he shrink it


dragonoutrider

How you know he didn’t when it’s stated he could? This could go back and forth all day but your still not right lmao.


MD_bolt

Chakra arms can't be shrunk, they are extension of user body


Macphestoo

The writer used Amado to give a description of Isshiki's ability, so I have no reason to doubt that. Also there is **alot** of things Isshiki could've done but didn't.


Yain_

in general when a character explains something new or states something new it most likely is true in boruto. character statements in boruto are mostly reliable in boruto and i hate how powerscalers deny that like remember when kawaki said naruto didn't stand a chance against jigen when as far as we know kawaki never saw the full power of either. he def didn't know narutos


Yain_

that is something that hasn't happened yet for amado to know. he isn't omnipresent and can't predict the future. he was right in someway because boruto gave naruto enough time to use bm before isshiki killed both n&s because plot restricted isshiki in doing that. mainly because most of the fanbase would be crying naruto and sasuke didn't go all out if they didn't use them.


MD_bolt

Well, not enough evidence he can shrink these jutsu I numerated


Yain_

wdym?? lmao didn't u literally see him absorb kashin kojis fire style and also his artificial summoning frog? susanoo, chidori and chakra claws are no different. its made up of chakra alone. its like saying isshiki cant pierce peoples heads because he didn't do it when in actually plot didn't allow him to do it.


MD_bolt

Well, it is kinda a different thing, the fire style don't exactly work as extension of kashin koji, it is not "chakra flow" but rather he release the fire from his arms with each punch As for the chakra arms, it must suggest something when in manga, Naruto uses two rasengan, they get shrunk, then Naruto go angry and create a chakra arm, u can't blame me if I thought he can't shrink a chakra arm or chidori


dragonoutrider

How is rasengan different from chidori, answered this question without making yourself sound dumb lmao.


Maatai4

The rasengan isn’t connected to your body. Chidori is


dragonoutrider

Sasuke literally switches Momoshiki kunai with his chidori, so that’s just blatantly incorrect


dragonoutrider

How is rasengan different from chidori, answered this question without making yourself sound dumb lmao.


MD_bolt

Chidori work as extension to user body, like chakra arms and Naruto chakra cloak


dragonoutrider

And rasengan


MD_bolt

It is a chakra ball u hold, not something that interact with ur body


dragonoutrider

Chidori is chakra you hold, not something that interacts with your body.


MD_bolt

Chidori is gathering chakra in ur hand And explain to me this manga scense: Naruto prepaire two rasengan, isshiki shrink them, Naruto become angry and use a chakra arm, isshiki try to evade it instead Why didn't he shrink it? That panel show that he can't shrink every jutsu


oriondragon18

He can't shrink things that are living. Chakra arma,. Susanoo that's all shrinkable it's just Author doesn't do that because shonen manga needs fightings and not just hax lol.


MD_bolt

Why then Naruto use a chakra arm right after his rasengan got shrunk? That must suggest something People here criticize anyone suggesting Naruto and Sasuke are nerfed, yet the same people say isshiki is nerfed despite he have no previous feats...


oriondragon18

He just didn't want to ig or maybe he can't do consecutive shrinks (this might be wrong but it has been months since I read his fights) Madara could absorb every Ninjutsu in 4th war but still tanked some, evaded some. It's called flexing and author being less repetitive And Chidori does piercing damage chakra arms do grabs maybe Isshiki thought why shrink something that's not gonna harm me. Isshiki also didn't try to shrink Sasuke's sword when he was Jigen. He also dropped blocks on Sasuke next time he used chidori. Author tries to be less repetitive in battles.


MD_bolt

Madara flaw with not absorbing anu jutsu is that he can't absorb a jutsu and cast susanoo at the same time, or move fast, and he can't really absorb all ninjutsu, I mean kamui is a ninjutsu right? It can't be nullified by truth seeking balls, so dont always take words more than actions As jigen, I think he can't shrink anything he like, he only shrink himself, his projectiles, his pot, and the fire he was touching


Hippo_Stacks

He could've just shrunk it if he wanted too, since he shrunk Naruto's rasengan, this woudn't have been a big deal, also why r u anylizing the Jigen and Isshiki fight so much lol


MD_bolt

Well the fight made me too curious about many things And I don't think he can shrink every jutsu, look at Naruto, he create a rasengan and isshiki shrink it, then he immediately use a chakra arm in manga and isshiki evade it instead I think techniques that work as extension to living things can't be shrunk, like Naruto chakra cloak, chakra arms, susanoo, chidori, and chidori spear


Fuscular_Dobber

No, it’s because you can’t accept the fact ISSHIKI shits on your shippuden favorites. Get over it. This isn’t healthy. Naruto and Sasuke were outclassed when they fought jigen. They were outclassed when they fought Isshiki and they will be when they fight Limit unleashed Code. GET OVER IT


MD_bolt

So I didn't get an answer on that topic, alright Yes they were outclassed indeed though


Hippo_Stacks

an extension of living thing? that can be said for Koji's flame technique yet it was still shrunk


MD_bolt

He was releasing flames directly, if he stand alone and do the technique, the flames will go all around It is not like lava chakra cloak for example, he just release fire from his arms rather than his mouth


oriondragon18

Why are you on a about he can't shrink jutsus that are extension of living things?? Since when did Chidori became extension of living things?? I can understand Susanoo and Chakra arms but chidori is totally different.


MD_bolt

Chidori is also chakra flow, and isshiki didn't attempt to shrink it, it is similar to these techniques


oriondragon18

Every jutsu has chakra flow in it.


MD_bolt

Chakra flow technique = a technique that involve flowing chakra over and inside a real body Asuma chakra blades are chakra flow technique Chakra cloaks are chakra flow on user own body, and it work as extension to him always, as well and anything that come from that chakra cloak and is connected to it, like a chakra arm or chakra horns killer bee use Chidori is like a concentrated lightning release chakra mode, but on one hand, it is very similar to hell stabs of third raikage U already know all of these, right?


oriondragon18

Every jutsus has chakra flow atleast on inside. Chakra gets created inside stomach so it has to flow to mouth or hands ot feets for jutsus. And again I said this in my other comment. Author tries to be less repetitive. And in action manga no one absorbs/haxes a form that has appearance. Bleach did it in its last arc and we all know how "well" fans received it lol. Imagine Isshiki shrinking Naruto's cloak, fans would go mad on that and not good kind of mad. Author will never do that. A series is still dependent on its fanbase but sometimes author doesn't understand what fans want and they lose them. But that's different subject. So I would ask you to not think it too much since the Author is still a human.


MD_bolt

He limited sukunahikona for the sake of fans, so he did for all jutsu in Naruto shippuden, like kamui and preta path limits, as well as deva path and limbo, all of these have weaknesses And it just count to the limits of sukunahikona that amado may didn't know about And chakra flow in that context is not tenketsu and chakra pathway system, it was explained in shippuden when someone channel chakra over a weapon or over their bodies it is called "chakra flow technique " and both Naruto chakra cloak and chidori are this type


mx_17

For everyone upvoting this did you forget the part where AMADO the genius scientists said that he can shrink every non-living thing ??


MD_bolt

The genius said boruto is the key to victory And isshiki didn't shrink Naruto chakra arms in manga(specially after Naruto got his rasengan shrunk he get angry and use a chakra arm, this indicate something), or his chakra cloak or the chidori itself, susanoo and chidori spear are non exceptiona to techniques that form extension of a living thing And u really think amado know everthing about sukunahikona? He don't know about daikokuton either Remember when madara said "the rinnegan can absorb all ninjutsu" or when it was said "truth seeking balls cancel all ninjutsu" yet kamui, a ninjutsu, can't be nullified by both


Technical-Pool-5061

This is dead logic. Maybe he just didn’t need to cuz he was literally toying with them. Jigen could’ve shrunk sasuke’s sword but he didn’t. Does that mean he couldn’t? Hell no. And what Amado said was literally shown and proved so what’s your point? You’re literally throwing headcanons left and right


MD_bolt

Toying? He had few hours and he is not sure if konoha will give him kawaki after he kill both Naruto and Sasuke And jigen seemingly can't copy the full ability of sukunahikona, he was only shown to shrink himself and kashin koji flames which he was touching, he also needed hand gestures for using daikokuton (which I think is what summon the rods)


Technical-Pool-5061

No he didn’t. When he dodged naruto’s punches he had days left lmao. >> and he is not sure konoha will give him kawaki arter he kills naruto and sasuke. I’m not answering that. That last paragraph made 0 sense. What are yiu even trying to imply?


MD_bolt

He said he was supposed to have 20 hours I think when he fought baryon mode As for kawaki thing, he said that by killing Naruto and Sasuke, konoha will give him kawaki, but how can he be sure? If he get weakened by chakra reserves and life span after he kill Naruto and Sasuke, the village may have a chance there, plus kawaki is hided completely from him, he have no chance to get him (he was lucky kawaki have that arm) and the villagers are not in the village so he can't just kill them around, he neither have very strong AOE attacks My point is, he don't have time to waste there, it was a stupid option to fight Naruto and Sasuke there, and even more stupid if he was "toying"


Technical-Pool-5061

It was stated multiple times that he had 2 days left but let’s go by 20… still more than enough to dodge a few punches with ease. Literally watch the clip, he was easily dodging with no rush. In the manga, he was literally walking in Konoha asking people about a boy named kawaki all calmness. Why are you making headcanon up? He had more than enough time and he never thought baryon mode would happen. Again, juat cuz he didn’t doesn’t mean you should make up tye fact tgat he can’t shrink it


MD_bolt

The manga must be referring to something when Naruto used a chakra arm right after the rasengan is shrunk, when will u understand this I cannot be blamed if I thought of chakra arms are counter in that case, same with Naruto chakra cloak there And his lifespan may go lower as he cast more techniques maybe, and konoha was going for, well, I am not perfect with english but what they call it when people leave a region due to emergency?


Technical-Pool-5061

Not necessarily. Isshiki wasn’t in a rush at all no matter how you look at it. He was chilling up until baryon mode appeared


MD_bolt

That didn't contradict my claims Isshiki was above them, but there are some techniques that he can't shrink most likely and have to deal with it in another way In anime, Naruto initially used a rasengan, they got shrinked, and he get angry and focus chakra in his fists and feet, it looked like a chidori but with pure chakra rather than lightning, and its effect was most likely not penetration ability but increased force, anyway the nature of that technique is also similar to chidori, and it was used immediately after Naruto rasengan got shrunk, indicating isshiki can't shrink that thing since it was focused in that occasion about sukunahikona ability to cancel ninjutsu


TSTARK3K21

He could’ve either shrunk it or destroyed it there since this was a guaranteed L on them


Devanplayz16466

What makes you think that Ishhiki would activate in time when Sasuke hand is in his face?


MD_bolt

Destroy chidori spear? He can't shrink jutsu that form extension of user body, like chakra arms, chakra cloak, susanoo or chidori, same is with chidori sharp spear


TSTARK3K21

He shrunk Naruto’s double rasengan


MD_bolt

They are not extension of user body like the techniques I numerated


Lawliet0p

Same is with chidori spear bruh, it is not body extansion, but jutsu extansion, it is same as rasengan and odama rasengan, one is bigger, compared to other, but are the same thing, chidori is short version of chidori spear and that's it. Nothing to argue about it.


MD_bolt

He can't shrink a chakra arm, which is extension to Naruto chakra cloak, which is extension to Naruto himself


Lawliet0p

Look what u said "He can't shrink a chakra arm, which is extension to Naruto chakra cloak, which is extension to Naruto himself" (i actually don't remember him trying to this, but i will go with your logic) chakra arm comes from the tailed beast and they are living creatures + you literally said "is extension to Naruto himself" so what we know about his abillity, it can't shrink living creature except himself, but what is chidori? Or chidori spear, it is a jutsu, as i stated previously just a longer variant of normal chidori it has nothing with chakra arms, it has nothing common with living creature, it is just chakra, but the arms are literally living creature.


MD_bolt

Chakra arms are not a living thing or part of a living thing, they are chakra of the tailed beast, unless Naruto arm grow into a yellow chakra arm with black circle mark, it is not a partial tailed beast transformation Chidori is similar to lightning release chakra cloak or nine tails chakra cloak, but focused in one arm instead, and chidori spear is similar to chakra arm in that context


Lawliet0p

İt seems like i need to explain what are bijuus and naruto's chakra cloak, cuz u know a lot of false information. Bijuu's are living creatures, but made of chakra, they all only chakra, but at the same time are alive Chakra arms are directly hands/tails of the bijuu, look shippuden chapter 689 page 1 when Kaguya extended her bijuu arms or chapter 567 and 568 where Kakashi and Guy fights against the bijuus, with chakra arms in naruto's case it is yellow or in the manga when he used baryon mode it was orange like. Chidori has nothing to do with that, it is chakra, just chakra, it is not part of living creature or the chakra of that living chakra ball. İt is only chakra which is not alive as u stated, it is lightning release or chakra cloak, but not an alive chakra ball. And is not even close to chakra arm, because one is literally hand of living creature other is chakra from nothing, the one is similar to chojis expansion, other one ise just using bigger variant of one jutsu. You hate so much that you compare living chakra creature with some non living chakra. İt is simple odama rasengan=chidori spear, rasengan=chidori, nothing much.


MD_bolt

So the chakra arm have immunity because it is made from tailed beast chakra only?


MD_bolt

And why didn't he shrink chidori


shhhhhhpevethellama

Remember when reading was a thing?


MD_bolt

He gonna shrink it right? Well he can't shrink Naruto chakra arms or chakra cloak or chidori or susanoo, so I guess chidori sharp spear, which act as extension of living thing, is included here


shhhhhhpevethellama

Yes


MD_bolt

Sakura is stronger than isshiki


BayLordPlatinum

Sadly, now its not


Golden_disrepctCo

Kishimoto really has forgotten his Justus


ScaredKnee4530

Ikemoto


Golden_disrepctCo

Oh thanks for correction


Devanplayz16466

kodachi not ikemoto


GreenVolume

Still is a thing. Problem is, you need to actually hit the enemy. When enemy is literal godlike alien with weird eyes, this is not as easy as said.


MD_bolt

That moment seemed perfect for a try though


GreenVolume

Now I read "Chidori spear" instead of just "Chidori", my bad. I'm not sure Chidori Spear is penetrative as Chidori itself. It needs to cost some concentration of Chakra to use it like that. I guess.


MD_bolt

Well, in Databook it is described as having lower power but longer range But in war arc, sasuke chidori didn't penetrate madara body, but his chidori spear cut him like a butter, this is a stronger madara than the one taknked lava rasenshuriken


GreenVolume

Classic lack of cohesion in the series. Well seems like Chidori Spear is a thing, if writer makes it good in current moment of the plot. Maybe lack of Rinnegan will pull his old abilities back? Dunno.


MD_bolt

I hope he start to use his abilities well SPOILER in manga: Specially that code can't absorb or shrink any ninjutsu


ScaredKnee4530

Here’s another question: why didn’t Isshiki crush his arm?


MD_bolt

His arm have lightning over it, I guess it worked like lightning release chakra mode, increasing his arm durability Remember when sasuke vs killer bee, bee used lightning release to cut zugetsu sword, but when sasuke apply lightning on it, bee sword stopped Lightning give enhanced durability and penetration altogether


ScaredKnee4530

He still has more than enough strength to crush it regardless.


MD_bolt

He didn't even crush sasuke bones or neck without lightning