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A Latin Experts Odyssey: from the Vatican to the Gay Rights Movement

A Latin Experts Odyssey: from the Vatican to the Gay Rights Movement

Ok-Owl6515

Some reason reminds me of the story in the Decameron where the Jewish man witnesses the depravity of the Vatican and becomes Christians. Here is what the Jewish man tells his friend after returning from Rome. “A bad one, and may God deal harshly with the whole lot of them. And my reason for telling you so is that, unless I formed the wrong impression, nobody there who was connected with the Church seemed to me to display the slightest sign of holiness, piety, charity, moral rectitude or any other virtue. On the contrary, it seemed to me that they were all so steeped in lust, greed, avarice, fraud, envy, pride, and other like sins and worse (if indeed that is possible), that I regard the place as a hotbed for diabolical rather than devotional activities. As far as I can judge, it seems to me that your pontiff, and all of the others too, are doing their level best to reduce the Christian religion to nought and drive it from the face of the earth, whereas they are the very people who should be its foundation and support. “But since it is evident to me that their attempts are unavailing, and that your religion continues to grow in popularity, and become more splendid and illustrious, I can only conclude that, being a more holy and genuine religion than any of the others, it deservedly has the Holy Ghost as its foundation and support. So whereas earlier I stood firm and unyielding against your entreaties and refused to turn Christian, I now tell you quite plainly that nothing in the world could prevent me from becoming a Christian.(2) Let us therefore go to the church where, in accordance with the traditional rite of your holy faith, you shall have me baptized.”


HistoricalSubject

huh, kinda unexpected, but I guess it (visiting Rome) didn't deter Luther from Christianity either. I posted it because a few days before there was a question thread on how "classical education" has affected your life, so people were telling their stories. this was exactly that (a story of a persons experience with classical education) but since there are a lot of traditional christian folks in here, they must have not been able to see the forest for the trees, and decided to make sure the post achieved exactly 0 points. I noticed this also happened to a video post about Emerson's conception of Christ (since, to a traditional christian, his view is heretical), despite Emerson being one of the most important thinkers American has produced. definitely made me second guess my willingness to continue posting in this sub.


Ok-Owl6515

Sorry for late response. I am not a frequent commenter on this sub. I imagine a lot of people on this sub do subscribe to a more traditional Christian way of thinking. In the US at least, most classical education schools are part of a Christian domination.


HistoricalSubject

Let us consider how naive it is in general to say, “Human beings should be such and such!” Reality shows us an *enchanting wealth of types*, the exuberance of an evanescent play and alteration of forms. And some wretched loafer of a moralist says to all this, “No! Human beings should be different” . . . He even knows how human beings should be, this sanctimonious sniveler; he paints himself on the wall and pronounces, “ecce homo!” . .. But even if the moralist just turns to the individual and says, “You should be such and such!” he doesn’t stop making himself ridiculous. The individual is a slice of fate both before and after, one more law, one more necessity for everything that is coming and will be. To say to the individual, “change yourself,” means insisting that everything should change, even retroactively . . . And there really have been consistent moralists; they wanted human beings to be different, namely virtuous, they wanted them made in their own image, namely sanctimonious. **To this end, they said no to the world!** *No small madness! No modest kind of immodesty! . . .* Morality, insofar as it condemns on its own grounds, and not from the point of view of life’s perspectives and objectives, is a specific error for which one should have no sympathy, an idiosyncrasy of degenerates which has done an unspeakable amount of harm! . . . In contrast, we others, we immoralists, have opened our hearts wide to every form of understanding, comprehending, approving. We do not easily negate, we seek our honor in being *those who affirm*. Our eyes have been opened more and more to that economy that needs and knows how to use all that the holy craziness of the priest, the sick reason in the priest, rejects—that economy in the law of life that draws its advantage even from the repulsive species of the sanctimonious, the priest, the virtuous.—What advantage?—But we ourselves, we immoralists, are the answer here . . . -Twilight of the Idols, "Morality as Anti-Nature", 6


HistoricalSubject

I'm not sure how this will be received in this sub, but I thought it was worth posting, if only for the Latin language lovers that we have.


Red_Lancia_Stratos

Interesting as living language. Uninteresting as content in itself.


HistoricalSubject

His love of latin really helped him pull through! Maybe some on this sub can relate or draw inspiration from it.