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2022 Honda Civic Hatchback to be Hybrid only in Europe. So no manual?

2022 Honda Civic Hatchback to be Hybrid only in Europe. So no manual?

afishinacloud

Honda specifically said it will be an e:HEV, which is their full hybrid system with no traditional transmission. So no, I don’t expect a manual.


kamrulh96

Sad times.


NCSUGrad2012

Europe is behind the US but you guys are loosing manuals too.


kamrulh96

Behind the US?


NCSUGrad2012

Sorry, I should have been more clear. Behind the US in terms of the manual going away. It’s starting there but not yet very rare to find.


kamrulh96

The manual is definitely on the decline and has been in the UK for a while now. I always thought the default in the US was automatic, whereas here it's the reverse, or at least was. Would like to have the option to pick manual but it is what it is. I understand the need for emissions reduction too. I have a Mk10 1.0L turbo with a manual gearbox. It's great but sometimes I do wish for more power. The plan was to wait for the 1.5L turbo manual on the new generation and upgrade in a few years time. Guess we'll have to see how the hybrid performs first.


NCSUGrad2012

I read an interesting article about it. The slim majority of cars sold in the UK are automatic now. Of course that goes up and up each year. Also, the amount of people not getting a manual drivers license is minor but also on the uptick. https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2021-06-09/british-motorists-move-away-from-manual-transmission-vehicles


articman123

No.


ToastyMozart

> Does that mean we won't get a manual gearbox? I'm fairly certain they've confirmed the Si and R are staying manual-only, so unless they stop importing those you probably still have options.


just_szabi

Europe isn't a big fan of the Si, practically non-existent here.


narcistic_asshole

Don't think Europe even gets the si. It's almost entirely been based on NA exclusive variants of the civic.


kamrulh96

The UK (and the rest of Europe) never had the Si model to my knowledge. So that's unlikely to be an option. Looks like the R is the only possible option should it come round this time


Mega_Harald

We never get the si. Only slow regular models or excessive type r.


xolov

The CR-Z was manual despite being hybrid. Too bad they didn't continue that.


OutWithTheNew

They sold like 6 CR-Zs. It didn't work out to well for them.


xolov

Suzuki Swift and Ignis however are offered with hybrid + manual and are pretty darn popular around me


just_szabi

The thing is, I dont know what type of hybrid is the new Civic, but the Suzukies are only mild hybrids, meaning they only help in starting the engine and acceleration a bit, they can't go in fully electric mode on their own IIRC.


ActualCounterculture

where do you live? sadly suzuki dont sell swift anymore in here, they instead sell baleno hatchback


xolov

I'm in Norway. It's weird that Suzuki has both the Swift and Baleno as they are similar in size. I know the new Baleno is sold in some European countries, but it's probably not sold here because Suzuki customers would be confused considering that it's completely different to the old Baleno in the 90's/early 00's that was a station wagon with 4x4 that was extremely popular back when they were new. Worst thing is that Suzuki never made a proper replacement either.


offu

In 2015 I was looking between a Honda Fit and a CR-Z. The Fit had rear doors and bigger rear seats. Much more storage capacity. In testing it was just as fast. And it got better fuel economy despite not being a hybrid. It was just a worse car than the Fit in almost every way (except for styling IMO, those were sharp little hybrids).


hbs18

Will the Civic sedan be available in Europe?


kamrulh96

Only the hatchback has been confirmed for Europe. Considering the sedan/saloon version hardly sells here, I wouldn't expect to see the sedan


hbs18

What a shame. The sedan looks absolutely amazing.


ThirteenMatt

Maybe if they offer mild hybrids? I just learned that the mild hybrids in Hyundai are available with manual transmissions. I suppose they could also make the normal hybrids manual, but I don't think they would bother engineering that.


afishinacloud

> I just learned that the mild hybrids in Hyundai are available with manual transmissions. Nearly all mild hybrids have manual options in Europe, because they’re practically normal combustion vehicles from a driving point of view. The ones that don’t might be more expensive/luxury cars that wouldn’t come in manual anyway. Unlike regular hybrids, the electric part of the drivetrain can’t move the car on its own and the motor is just used as a starter+assist so the engine has to come on to start moving the car even at low speeds. Edit: just had a look at their press release and it’s in fact Honda’s e:HEV system which doesn’t even have a traditional transmission to change gears. So I wouldn’t expect a manual here.


kamrulh96

Looks like I'll be fishing for a used Mk10 Manual when it's time for an upgrade.


afishinacloud

Yeah, Honda doesn’t have much choice at this point. They were behind their CO2 targets in 2020 and had to join the Tesla-FCA emissions pool to avoid fines. I guess with the Civic now a hybrid there actually isn’t any pure ICE remaining in their European lineup.


kamrulh96

Is the Type R coming to Europe at all? Any news on that?


afishinacloud

Ah, that would be the one manual in their lineup if it does come here. They didn’t mention the Type R in their press release. So no news yet. Given the regular Civic is scheduled for Autumn 2022 in Europe, they’ll probably announce that at a later date if it’s coming to Europe.


Echo1201

The Ford Focus and Fiesta 1.0T EcoBoost (both 125ps and 155ps variants) received mild-hybrid systems last year. Both are only available with the 6-speed manual. Would be cool if the FiST and maybe even the FoST got it too (to secure its future).


CerebralAccountant

I have to think it's easier for Hyundai to engineer a mild hybrid with a 6-speed manual when their full hybrid system uses a 6-speed DCT. Meanwhile, Honda's iMMD doesn't even have a transmission, and IMA went away in the mid 10s.


unjuseabble

Damn that really truly sucks. Its still ten years away before I would afford one anyway but the new civic looks awesome enough for me to want it already. Really an outstanding design amongst new cars, especially the sedan.


TubaCharles99

Probably not but honda has had a hybrid manual before. Reckon I believe a different type of hybrid


FabtoNqq

Honda is really losing what the civic hatchback was, it's not even a hatchback anymore, and now they will only be automatic. hopefully the SI and type R versions of it will be offered in manual, when they come out.