Electric Dodge Muscle Car Will Arrive in 2024, Concept Will Arrive Next Year
By - Uptons_BJs
Ah yes, the Dodge Thundercat.
Trademark this rn
License [the logo](https://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/4300000/Thundercats-thundercats-4312341-1280-800.jpg) rn ffs...
Base model is the Snarf, top tier model is the Lion-O
Dodge marketing needs to cut you check sir. 👍
Too good not to use. Yet they still go with "eMuScLE".
Like what about Stormcharger or something too.
Storm has... other connotations at the moment. Not going to be used for a while
Thundercat could definitely be the Hellcat equivalent for their Electric Charger/Challenger.
Then Ford would sue them because Ford has already owned many "Thunder" nameplates.
That's great but I hear you need to buy a Charger with it.
How much did they charge you for it?
Then they'll complicate the issue even more by relasing the higher trim version, the Super Charger.
Dodge: “our headlights are electric what more do you want?”
Dammit you slut.
> Dodge will launch an electric muscle car in 2024 under what it's calling eMuscle
OK. I'm usually not one to be hard on names for vehicles, because most sound stupid at first. But... eMuscle? It sounds like a protein shake infomercial product.
They could just call it the Charger…
Imagine they used a charger. Then painted it orange. Used a butchered weird looking knock off Confederate flag on the top then painted General-E? Wow. The amount of heads that would quite literally EXPLODE.
You just solved the problem of getting the entirety of rural America to embrace EVs.
I can only expect my check is on its way now. That or the dodge man is going to message me to delete this. Undecided.
Why should they?
That would be badass
I fucking love that idea. Someone better do that with the car when it comes out.
Yeah, you'd think they'd at least gone with just Muscl-E.
pronounced like *'Muscly'*, I like it
I flex my eMuscle while typing reddit comments.
It's probably a working title. It will have a different name when released.
I fucking hope so. Just sell me an E 'Cuda already!
So if the right Chris buys one, it will be Hem's E-Cuda?
Yeah clearly a working title
>What up!!! We're three cool guys looking for other cool guys who wanna hang out in our party mansion. Nothing sexual. Dudes in good shape encouraged, if you're fat you should be able to find humor in the little things. Again, NOTHING SEXUAL.
I don't think "eMuscle" will be the name of the vehicle. It sounds more like a badge that will indicate the powertrain has an electric component to it (or is entirely electric). So, they bring out this flagship electric muscle car, show what they can really do with electric cars, then they add "eMuscle" to the existing lineup of gas vehicles to further increase their power output (at least as a transition until most or all vehicles are fully electric).
What they really need to do is market these things like freight trains. Modern freight trains are driven by electric motors... the diesel engines just provide the electricity for those motors. That's the idea they should be aligning with... that electric motors have a ton of power, and I assume that's the point of this flagship car. It's going to be expensive, but it's going to demonstrate that eMuscle isn't to be fucked with. That way, when they add eMuscle to their other vehicles that idea will carry over.
I think it goes back to CDJR/Stellantis saying awhile back they'd "never make an electric vehicle". I see this is as their way of saying "we never said we wouldn't make electric muscle cars".
Its a cop out for sure, but I'm still delighted to see what they'll bring to the table. Hopefully the eMuscle name gets lost along the way.
Are you saying a muscle car isn’t a vehicle?
You know how CDJR is...We're talking about the same company who would throw a big supercharged V8 in anything if it sells. Personally, I love them for that haha
Its purely word theatrics for them...
V12 vantage with a 6 speed? How is it? Is it everything I imagine?
It’s pretty sweet. Quite raw for an Aston but still comfortable. DBS powertrain in a small sports car platform with 3 pedals. Sounds incredible. Comes from the factory with a lightweight single-mass flywheel so it revs quite fast in both directions. Very different from the stock V8s in that respect. Set up to reward being driven hard so not an ideal daily. Great weekend car though! Mine has been very reliable. Unfortunately they didn’t make very many of them.
Sounds like a term for a bunch of fit, oiled up guys on OnlyFans stripping down and drinking Fight Milk or Wolf Cola.
Is it just me or has Chrysler had a history of bad names? One that sticks out in my head was the Sling Shot. Granted that was a concept but tf were they thinking?
Other ones that come to mind Sundance, Scamp, Breeze, Dart Swinger, Scat Pack etc.
I legitimately know a person who probably didn't buy a Hellcat because he was loudly talking about how much he wanted a "scat pack" in the break room, and someone thought he was talking about porn. He became the "scat man" from that day until the day he left. People would leave fake dog shit on his desk. I felt bad for the dude, but christ, what were they thinking?
>but christ, what were they thinking?
There is a specific history with the term "scat pack" (IIRC it was a handful of Chrysler cars that were particularly performance oriented but were not the halo muscle cars, but I'm not sure) but the term "scat" was also slang back then for, as best as I can put it, "leaving quickly". Ex. "Scat, cat! Get out of here!"
It's a retro thing. A callback to the muscle car era. I don't know why everyone is baffled by it. I'm in my mid-30's, born way past the period of time in which this term was in use, and when the scat packs came out I never thought poop.
Makes sense but still I'm in my early 30s and to me scat = 💩
Context is key. If we are talking retro muscle car marketing, think 60's. If some rando says they saw some great scat last night, try not to talk to them anymore.
That was my reaction to the Scat pack too, I was like umm wtf?
What an awful name. I'm not sure who's coming up with these but they really couldn't come up with anything else?
They have to go all in over the top with the muscle name to convince you the electric crossover they ultimately release is a "true" muscle car.
I'm guessing it's going to end up being called the Dart (although that name has been used in recent years, a muscle car would bring it a bit closer to its roots.
Other names they might consider: Coronet, Daytona, or Barracuda. But to me, Dart is the clear best option (assuming they're going to use a classic muscle car name and not come up with something new... but IMO that would be a terrible choice for a retro-styled EV muscle car).
While I anticipate that a new name may be in the cards, I don’t think Dart will be it. The shit Chrysler 200 spinoff version from the early 2010s kinda spoils that.
Coronet is too old sounding. Daytona may work, and Barracuda is exactly what I’d think a new name would be.
However, for my money, I’m willing to bet that they’ll just call it the Challenger, and that’ll be the successor to the current iteration.
Ok how about Muscl-E
everyone seems pretty skeptical of this car in the comments. I'm surprised, if there's 1 thing dodge pretty much can't fuck up, its a muscle car.
Shitting on Dodge/FCA/Stellantis just a pastime for this sub.
They just make it *so easy*, though.
Peugeot and Vauxhall seem to be making good cars, the rest of Stellantis though...
You cant have an EV muscle car. Its an oxymoron. I feel like I'm surrounded by a bunch of teenagers who have no experience with a real muscle car. Is this an enthusiast sub or am I on /r/technology?
Disagree, but I'm still in a Challenger fb group and I see boomers posting this take 100 times every time someone mentions this car.
I swear to god (mini rant), facebook groups (and facebook as a whole) are full of some of the worst, most arrogant gatekeeping know-it-alls. It’s like reddit, but so much worse.
Yes, its an age thing. People who have never been around muscle cars definitely dont understand why "EV muscle car" is contradictory. Younger people love EVs because they appeal moreso to gadget enthusiasts than car enthusiasts. Go on youtube and find a video of a chambered exhaust camaro from the 60s and tell me an EV can ever live up to that. It cant. https://youtu.be/tqG6s7yfupc?t=39
I don't agree that its just a young people thing. I think it is a sound/tech evolution thing.
It seems that older enthusiasts think its more important for a muscle car to be loud. I, and others, think it's more important for a muscle car to be the fastest thing in a straight line, and now there is a better option for that than a big v8. Experience vs. performance. And that's not a new opinion, either, see: the Buick Grand National.
And yes, I have idolized Muscle cars since I was a kid, and I've even owned one. I'm not just some geek Tesla fanboi... In fact, I don't like any currently available non-supercar EVs.
> Yes, its an age thing
No it really isnt, it's a YOU thing. Over 40, loved muscle cars my entire life and I have no qualms about Dodge evolving and pushing the boundaries of automotive evolution.
Sure, but it isnt a muscle car. Just like the Mach E isnt a Mustang. Words mean things.
> Sure, but it isnt a muscle car
Except that no one can or will ever agree on what a "muscle car" is vs. a "pony car" etc. Its been a hot debate since the 60's when a clever suit coined the term. One thing I have never seen, is the rule that a muscle car HAS to be gas powered.
Speaking of words meaning things, here is a couple of words for you, opinions and facts.
You disparage people here for not knowing the difference, but you roll out your opinions and present them as facts.
Maybe you should examine the meaning of these words, instead of declaring Dodge is dead and that electric cars cant possibly have any character? Just a thought.
Yeah, you're right, nobody on here does seem to understand the difference between opinions and facts considering how many people keep telling me that I'm "wrong".
Bunch of little children who dont understand that disagreeing with someone does not make them "wrong".
I can say EVs make shitty enthusiast cars just like I can say that everybody likes ice cream. It shouldnt be all that controversial.
Why not? An ev can’t have relatively big engines and burn rubber?
It can have a motor that gives it an impressive 0-60, but that isnt what a muscle car is. Muscle cars are big, heavy, loud, obnoxious cars. ICE is part of the experience. You cant have a muscle car without the sound at the very minimum.
> Muscle cars are big, heavy, loud, obnoxious cars.
EVs can check 3 out of 4 those boxes
"Muscle cars" are mostly about the character of the car, which is something an EV cannot replicate. I can see people arguing otherwise if they're a lot younger or if they've never been around real muscle cars, but as far as I'm concerned, you cant have an EV muscle car. Its a contradictory term.
EVs can be exactly the same looking as a muscle car... Minus the sound.
Now, that's not the most efficient way to make an EV, sure, but "they cannot replicate" is absolutely not true.
Whether the Dodge EV muscle car sells, should be very interesting to observe. That's a different question, my guess is, yes if it's a decent product, irrespective of what the hardcore muscle dudes think.
I’m not so sure. Muscle car to me means fast in a straight line, not so great in the corners, slightly too large and reasonably priced. I’m sure the electric version will make some crazy sounds too.
Fake sounds are absolutely garbage IMO. If you're gonna get an EV, don't you want the whole "experience", so to speak? For me, they have an image of a silent killer in a way; SUPER fast, but completely silent. Very mysterious; very cool. I wouldn't want it screwed up with sounds from a bygone era, you know what I mean? And this is from someone that LOVES regular engines. They're both better off having two separate images/experiences.
>fake sounds are absolutely garbage
Well most Chargers sound like garbage anyways but you still consider them muscle cars sooo
IMO an electric sports car needs to sound like a Formula E car. Just completely embrace the shreik of electric motors.
I'd be okay with this
...Or just buy an ICE car with an engine that actually sounds good?
I agree in a sense, but you could still use big speakers to make the obnoxious brub brubs that will annoy the neighborhood with if that's your jam.
An EV muscle car won't be a true muscle car, but an adaptation/evolution of one.
Fake sound is worse than no sound. It still doesnt make it a muscle car
There's no point in bitching about it. The days of V8s are gone 🥲
r/cars is full of tasteless teenagers with no drivers license that echo chamber whatever shit they see online.
I'm pretty excited - Dodge produced some crazy high powered cars so this should be a riot. Though the Challenger and Chargers were already porkers. I can't imagine how much this is going to weigh.
Remember the copperhead concept car Chrysler/ dodge came up with in the 1990s?
They should have gone with that, The Copperhead.
Really missed out on calling it MusclE.
That only works in text form though
That's the worst
It’s about time we are getting some performance focused EVs. I just hope it’s not too weird looking
They have their work cut out for them. They will need to hit a high 8, low 9 second 1/4 mile to keep up with the Plaid and Nevera. Would rather see them just produce a dual motor, rear wheel drive car that does insane burnouts and puts out around 700hp. Thats more on brand than creating an AWD car to compete with the really fast EVs.
Why would you expect Dodge of all people to try to compete with a multi-million dollar hypercar? I’m sure it’s much more likely to be what you hope for in the second part.
I'm half expecting them to just write "electric motor" on a piece of cardboard in sharpy and tape it on top of a 7 litre v8.
"Fully electric starter"
The plaid is a $150k car and Dodge's whole shtick has been providing cheap performance. I assume Dodge makes a Plaid killer at the least for 80-90k.
Agreed. Will be interesting to see what they do. That’s certainly more realistic competition than Rimac.
Yeah. If GM can release a much larger, 1,100 HP electric Hummer for $115k, Dodge doing the same for an 80-90k Hellcat replacement is highly reasonable.
I will admit I'd miss the exhaust note, and the intoxicating whine. However, the most Dodge thing possible would be making their electric engine intentionally be louder.
> However, the most Dodge thing possible would be making their electric engine intentionally be louder.
Perhaps attempt to get a whine sort of like the supercharger on their Hellcats.
Modern AC motors are generally always muffled but even a model s makes noise when all the deadening is removed, like on the [Saleen one](https://youtu.be/rsRaTVnXM5w). Even if it sounds like an RC car.
I like that. It solves some of the "soul problem" EV's have. No sound makes them feel like a dead, lifeless, and emotionless appliance.
Which admittedly is fine for 90% of buyers, but I'm not among them.
This 100%. Even right now the Hellcats are slower than other muscle cars like the GT500. Dodge isn’t going to go crazy trying to fight a Hypercar. They just need to focus on building an electric car that feels like a muscle car to appeal to their customers
The Hellcats came out 6 years ago, the GT500 has been out for 5 minutes.
Why would the Hellcats be faster than the car that was engineered to be more superior than the Hellcats?
Makes no sense
GT500 has been out for like 2 years nearly. If Dodge wanted to have the fastest muscle car they would’ve updated theirs to be faster. That’s kind of what competition does. Your comment doesn’t make sense, the Hellcat has been getting constant updates anyway. Not Ford’s fault Dodge can’t build a car as good as theirs
my point still stands: of course the newer car will be better
But a company can choose to update a car. It doesn’t make my comment wrong.
notice how you used the word "can", not "has too" in regards to updating....
Just because the GT500 came out doesn't mean dodge has to do anything to continue competing for sales
Damn you seem upset I pointed out Dodge has a slower car
> Not Ford’s fault Dodge can’t build a car as good as theirs
You're the only being bitter^^
Just pointing out that it makes no sense to knock Hellcats for being slower than the newest muscle car on the block--newest car is typically always better.
If you want to be a hater, knock yourself out.
yeah. It doesn't have to keep up with the Nevara.
I wouldn't expect Dodge to beat the Nevera but it would need to be in the 9s to compete with the $130k Plaid.
> Would rather see them just produce a dual motor, rear wheel drive car that does insane burnouts and puts out around 700hp. Thats more on brand than creating an AWD car to compete with the really fast EVs.
It would certainly have a different character to the current crop of performance EVs, which would IMO make it a standout entry.
You’re joking, right? I don’t anyone has or will ever cross shop a dodge muscle car and an EV multimillion dollar hypercar.
I just meant somewhere in that 1/4 mile range.
FCA is high on my list of "which legacy car company is going to be the Nokia/BB of EVs?"
See, the problem with that statement is: FCA doesn't exist.
Just don’t make it a Fkn SUV and call it a Challenger.
Stellantis is probably the manufacturer in the worst spot in building/obtaining batteries in the US, so really curious what their proposed pack used in this thing will be.
There is no such thing as an electric muscle car. end of.
Why is that?
What about the Plaid which stomps every production car in a drag race
Wellp, pack it up boys. If dodge of all brands is done with ICE, may as well consider new enthusiast cars a thing of the past. An EV "muscle car". What a joke. Better start buying the older ICE cars that you're interested in before they're too expensive to afford.
Real enthusiasts drive an American Standardbred horse - the *original* muscle car.
Any more melodrama and you could pass for a soap opera
Nothing I said is inaccurate. You think they're going to be investing anything into ICE cars?
> Nothing I said is inaccurate.
You deciding for everyone else that EVs can't be enthusiast cars is inaccurate.
...I'm deciding for everyone else? I dont know what you're talking about. Redditors get so bent out of shape over differing opinions.
>may as well consider new enthusiast cars a thing of the past.
Yeah when your apply your logic to everyone that happens.
How old are you? Do you seriously not know how to tell the difference between a factual statement and an opinion?
>Redditors get so bent out of shape over differing opinions.
Woah buddy calm down
I agree on the point that this decade and maybe the second half of the 2030s are going to be the last years where enthusiast ICE powered cars will be in attainable price ranges.
Weird to hear “electric” and “muscle” in the same sentence.
wasn't it the manta?
It’s not 1985 anymore
Lol seriously like let’s all move on