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Game Thread: Arizona Cardinals (5-0) at Cleveland Browns (3-2)

Game Thread: Arizona Cardinals (5-0) at Cleveland Browns (3-2)

MidnightRequim

You just lost to ~~Kliff Kingsburry~~ ~~Vance Joseph~~ Colt McCoy 😎


redsea420

Gg browns. I'd move on from Baker tho.


srobbins250

Yea he was the problem… not defense or injuries. This team consistently gives up 30+ points a game and a lot of it as of late has to do with injuries. This ain’t on Baker


redsea420

He put the ball on the ground 2 times and threw an ugly pick that was clearly on him. He has had 4tds all year. With the output modern offenses put up you can't have that. You cant always have a healthy team and your run game working for you. Eventually you need to put up volume. You have to look for an elite guy at all times. And he is just slightly above average.


srobbins250

The team is not built to rely solely on passing touchdowns. They split the load on offense between passing and rushing with rushing carrying a little more of the load. And this is not because Baker is bad but because they had the good fortune of Chubb (2nd round pick) becoming easily top 3 running back in the league and also acquiring Hunt on the cheap after his controversy. If you really watched the games, you’d see it’s a run first offense (and frankly you’d be stupid not to with the rushing talent they have). Baker has shown he can sling the ball - he came into the league setting a rookie touchdown record without playing the whole season. Baker does what he’s supposed to. The offense scores like crazy. The only problem is defense is struggling and riddled with injuries. Simple as that. To your point of interceptions and other turnovers… they happen to everyone - not just Baker.


redsea420

Tell me how your going to pay for a run first team. (which usually requires a good defense to work). While paying the dude 40+ mil?....you can't.


srobbins250

The team isn’t paying him that right now. The team is right now a run first offense while they still have Chubb and Hunt and they did what they could to make the defense strong with picking up Jadaveon Clowney, Troy Hill, John Johnson, and Anthony Walker and drafting JOK and Newsome but unfortunately for them, 70% of those guys have been injured and on top of that, their previous defensive talent like Ward has also been on and off the field. It’s just been a struggle from an injury standpoint and you can’t deny that. When the window closes on run first team with strong defense, I have no doubt Baker can lead a more throwing oriented team. Again, he came into the league on fire and it’s not like he’s forgotten how to throw. The team just went through fifty regime changes and oriented the scheme after stumbling into incredible rushing talent. And the stat to me that stands out is that he’s avg almost 9 yards per throw which shows he can still throw even if he’s only throwing 20 times a game. Add an extra 10-15 attempts per game and I guarantee ya his stats look a lot more like what your thinking they should look like - they just ain’t making him do that right now.


mud_sweat_gears

Meh, I’d like to upgrade him but it’s not a must for me.


redsea420

If you want a chip. Then yeah. And as soon as you pay him an extension things just get harder.


Mental_Time

Yep. He's gonna command 45+ a year. Gonna chew up a lot of cap


Eyesalwaysopened

I apologize Cards fans; honestly I forgot your team even existed and honestly they have proved everyone wrong. Absolutely amazing. And JJ Watt has a sack. Congrats to the Cards for the greats reason so far.


OneHappyWatermelon1

What state are the jets even based in 😐


sundevilfb88

Kind of a backhanded compliment but thanks?


Eyesalwaysopened

Lol all love.


skeletor19

> honestly I forgot your team even existed From a Jets fan.. not sure how to feel.


Oren-

I remember when the Cardinals used he forgotten bros with us. Now they're all grown up and contenders 😢


Lance990

Lol I concur 😂


azsnaz

Like 20 years ago I was told that jets stands for Just End This Season. It seems that has always been true


Eyesalwaysopened

…. I like that one. Can I use it?


azsnaz

Treat it like its your own


RmEnHammer

Gg Cards. You guys ass whooped us today.


roosley1

Shitty officiating, awful defensive effort and even worse defensive playcalling, injuries mounting, multiple turnovers, having the Cardinals RBs literally running over the defense. Awful week of football for Browns fans. About to see on Thursday what type of character this team has.


Lance990

Well at least ya didnt get blown out. Baker is a solid qb


FakePhillyCheezStake

Wut I thought he was awful and we need to move on from him though???


mud_sweat_gears

Good game cards. Keep on streaking. Fuck the NFL


oversized_canoe

What was the crowd chanting?


Courtdog109

6 and 0 I believe


btn1136

AND they got a colt mccoy just lying around.


ehoyle73

Are they really chanting 6-0?


dcfb2360

Baker really reminds me of the evil psycho main character from You


BrownsFan617

Lmao I can’t unsee it now


FU_Pagame

McCoy padding his resume


daftPun5

Welp. Good game Cardinals. Everyone have a good one evening. Go Browns.


Crimzon17

Ggs everybody. Have a good rest of your day


[deleted]

kyler looks weird asf with dreads


fingerblast69

Hey remember how everyone called the Cardinals being the only undefeated team left at week 6 😆😆


Brogansheroez

I had the Cardinals being the team whose record didn’t reflect how good they were because of how tough their schedule is.


musicalspoons

We’re not blaming the refs for the loss. We’re just annoyed about another biased game after we got hosed last week. It’s also easier to complain about this than focus on exactly how injured our team is.


Ickyhouse

Yep. I’m pissed bc all I hear is how these things “always balance out” or everyone gets bad calls, but they NEVER balance out or help us. It’s never close to evening out. That’s what pisses me off.


Herianvexa

Yeah the loss is on us, but man it’s so frustrating to get the salt in the wound of constantly being on the bad end of such shit calls


K1wI

Seriously how the fuck do we have a young future QB? I don't know how to feel.


Leftfeet

Feel excited, but cautious. It's a wonderful thing, but I'm always afraid we're one bad hit away from losing ours. Murray is a rare talent and you should absolutely be excited to get to watch him every week.


Patchy_Face_Man

Bengals throttle a team for once, Browns lose, AJ Green is resurrected, yes Ravens win but everybody can stfu about Herbert for a week. C’mon Seahawks cap it off right!


Hawlk

DID YOU KNOW MCCOY AND SHIPLEY ARE STILL ROOM MATES


JustForAsking_

Hey guys Kyler Murray good give like


Strike48

No like on thread with salt. Where sugar?


Raccoon_Full_of_Cum

Remember when Colt McCoy started all this phantom RTP bullshit by getting concussed by James Harrison? Because I do.


FckMeLikeItsPromNite

Both teams have backups in before the 2 minute warning yet browns fans out here saying the refs decided the game lol


speccers

I haven't seen one fan saying that. I've seen them saying the Refs fucked us over again this week. No one is arguing the Cards weren't winning this game anyway. At least not after the first quarter or so. But to claim this game was called badly and unfairly is as bullshit of a take as saying the refs are why we lost. I didn't have this game down as a win at all, even when coaches were going to miss the game. Cards are just a great team.


damnitjayman

I think Fitzgerald has got the urge to join the Cards again lol


Pepperoni_nipps

He picked a bad time to call it quits lol!


dukarr

At this point, that will break superstition. We are about to be 6-0 without him!


Exatraz

Nah, he's enjoying his talk show and frankly he wouldn't get enough targets to be worth it for him or for us. If he wants to be around the team, they could bring him on as a coach in case games like this happen in the future


K1wI

Sending out Colt!


TastesLikeHoneyNut

Holy shit colt Mccoy is still in the nfl


Parking_Cat4735

Cards really are legit. I don't see any team that can beat them right now with how they are currently rolling. Of course let's see if they can maintain this into January.


Kevin_DurSuperTeam

If our O Line is fully healthy come January, I like our chances vs anyone.


Lance990

Not sure how we will be against the Packers and rematch against the Rams..


Eyesalwaysopened

Did anyone predict the Cards to be as good as they are this season? 6-0 and looking better and better.


Ryannr1220

Yes


heaveninherarms

Vegas odds set the line at 6.5 wins, most people didn't have them breaking .500 iirc


Brogansheroez

Yeah, the Cardinals are dominating. The Kingsbury doubters can find something else to do.


pushinpushin

I sure wish Deshaun Watson would be magically found completely 100% innocent and the victim of a vast conspiracy, for no particular reason of course


JangleFinesse

cardinals are good. not even a fan, but proud of em


Lance990

Zach Ertz is gonna shine with us.


curtisjones-daddy

Nothing worse for your team than the oppositions QB not even playing the last few snaps


calitri-san

Yeah - take that Arizona! Oh wait.


fingerblast69

I definitely recant all the shit I said about Vance Joesph two years ago 😆


dogs_drink_coffee

refs, injuries, blabla. Just admit Cardinals was the better team in the field today, it's simple


srobbins250

They were the better team. Can only speculate how things would have gone if there weren’t all the injuries. But under the circumstances at play today, Cardinals we’re better


Charliebaltimore1346

Excuses >>> reality


Leftfeet

Congratulations cards fans. Y'all have a helluva team. I just wish we'd played decent and at least made this one interesting.


Alphanerd93

Sorry man. Honestly you guys normally are legit, so I know it's a weird fluke


Leftfeet

Hopefully this is the low point of our season. We played like shit mostly. Y'all have a lot going for you though. A lot of young exciting talent, it's should be a fun team to watch for a few years at least.


Alphanerd93

Yeah, our division just sucks though. I truly feel like it's playoffs/Superbowl or bust this year


[deleted]

bit early to say that when we've lost to all 3 teams we've played with winning records


Perhaps_Putrid

~ 10:1 Ppl saying Browns fans are blaming the refs for the loss : Browns fans blaming refs for the loss


Brogansheroez

Yeah, it’s been insult to injury more than anything. If the refs call a good game, it’s maybe 24-14. Refs aren’t going to make Baker any good.


SUCKMEoffyouCASUAL

OK this was fun at first now it's getting sad


Crimzon17

Next Week Texans vs Texans 2.0


K1wI

LOL, no we got to calm down our hubris.... but HAHAHAHAH!


Alphanerd93

Texans vs west Texans. I just hope it's not a trap game


Punchee

Well that felt like a wet fart in an elevator. Time to get out of here.


Cyber_Wulf47

I’ve never seen a team get more bullshit calls agains them than the browns and lions . Not even close. NFL refs are either entirely incompetent or just straight dirty. Judging by how the teams each year who do the best always seem to get away with like everything, I’m thinking it’s the latter.


Lance990

I think the Lions have something to say..


Cyber_Wulf47

Changed it because you’re most certainly right


TheMawt

Noted NFL dynasty Arizona Cardinals


Lopptyr

Can anyone list me some good hobbies? Between refs and injuries I’m starting to question why I even look forward to football every year.


wingnut5k

Just thought of another one. Cooking is a GOAT hobby. Its got everything anyone needs. You get to experiment, there's a million different techniques and styles to try, everyone loves someone who can cook, and it's very useful, and you get to eat what you make.


Mark_Luther

If you're looking for more sports, hockey season just started! The good news is that there are so many games that the occasional blowout here or there hurts a lot less. The bad news is that if your team is just *that bad* the season will seem so much longer.


Arrestedbybatman

Touching grass


Alphanerd93

There's always Madden, or other video games. I've been into Horizon Zero Dawn on PC


worldstoughestvegan

Runescape.


EvanMobIey

have you tried putting sharp tacks under your toenails and kicking doors? It's better than watching the Browns


wingnut5k

Find a hobby that's productive that interests you preferably one that gets you outside, that's my advice. Woodworking is cool because you get to see the fruits of your own labor. I'm pretty big into firearms. Try a lot and stick with what you like


ChickenLiverNuts

video games bruh


EasiBreezi

Keenum has 100% phoned it in. He used to be decent, but seems like he doesn’t care anymore and doesn’t deserve to be 2nd or 3rd string


Exatraz

I think both him not liking being 2nd string and the fact the game is already in garbage time definitely makes it not matter


MonoGiganto

He signed expecting to be second string. He’s phoning it in because there’s just no point in not phoning this one in.


Ickyhouse

Why is that not roughing the passer? Oh wait, our QBs can get the shit beat out of us.


Synthetic_Terrain

Last year I kicked my son out of the house because he kept saying that Kyler Murry is a god and all this and I said he was super overrated. We constantly got into fights about it so I had to kick him out. He might have been right.


Alphanerd93

This is some r/copypasta shit


Killspree90

Bro who let's football tear apart a family


Meatbag96

Lol Texans is a winnable game. At least he’s honest. Most Texans fans will probably cheer for the Cardinals next week.


K1wI

True talk, I kind of want ya'll to win next week. I will sort of feel bad winning with your best players... kinda, not really.


Tragicv3

Will Tyrod be back next week or is it still Mills szn


Meatbag96

Tyrod is MIA. If you find him could you please inform the Texans.


FlamingHotBananas

Maybe last year was just a fever dream. Welp I enjoyed it while it lasted. Can't blame the refs when your defense has more holes than the ozone layer.


[deleted]

our defense isn't even an ozone layer, there's fucking nothing with joe woods


Allstar9_

We were pretty lucky with injuries last year.


wingnut5k

Larry would come back if this team makes a serious playoff threat. After all the pain of being an AZ sports fan, having him come back and this team going the distance would make it all worth it to me


worldstoughestvegan

Even if he didn't come back, and they win the SB, he's still getting a ring. But I'm sure he'd prefer to play a role in it.


Blarg1889

Tbh if he came back he would be a glorified ornament on the sideline. We do not need him on the field


wingnut5k

That's fine. Give a receiver a break for a couple plays, give him a little time, and let him be a leader off the field


V-Right_In_2-V

In two games, we have gone 7/9 on 4th downs. This defense is incredible


808Cardinals

I am not going to be cocky…Browns are getting some bad calls/no-calls along with the injuries unfortunately.


Phoenixapartment

Fucking thank you!!! Im out here in AZ and my buddies were ignoring this shit when I brought it up. However, you did outplay us. The refs didn’t force Baker to continually fumble and throw directly to your DB on that one play. Both are true.


Herianvexa

OTOH, we had three turnovers. The shit calls and injuries certainly made it worse than it probably would have been, but you can’t turn it over that many times and expect to win. Between that and our defense shitting the bed, the better team today certainly won. Gg, AZs looking good this year and happy to see Kyler really take that next step.


curtisjones-daddy

You can be cocky, you’ve slaughtered us for four quarters. The Hail Mary is the only thing making it not look utterly embarrassing. Need to remember your coach isn’t even here today.


andduuu

Its all piling up, along with the first half turnovers


808Cardinals

I feel bad for you guys especially since I do like your players a lot as a Football fan.


andduuu

Thanks, really hope we meet again in february


Morandred

How many times must we teach you this lesson old man


FauxGenius

I’m really loving the defense. They are feasting and enabling so much.


Crimzon17

Just kneel it three times and kick a fg


Exatraz

40 burger time pls. We've missed it a couple times because we went to garbage time. Hopefully they get it this week


Crimzon17

40 would be nice but I just want no more injuries


Uckthebroncos

BAY-KER MAY-FIELD clap clap, clap clap clap!


AcesCharles2

With these injuries piling up, the blown leads against the Chiefs and Chargers are really starting to hurt.


Paranoidexboyfriend

It is tough to win games when you give up 40 points or more


CidRonin

These injuries and glaring issues on the defense is quickly killing my hopes this season.


Nfrtny

Hopefully our third string RB can step up. The armchair coach in me says sit Baker until Chubb comes back and make a push for the playoffs the last 7 weeks. But 3 and 6 is a tough push to the playoffs.


V-Right_In_2-V

Browns fans are so salty lol. You guys got destroyed


CidRonin

We just had to play the hand we were dealt. Had chubb been healthy it could have been different. Had Landry or our o line. That will put a bad taste in your mouth but then add back to back weeks of rough calls from the refs will sour it. Most of us are coping with the landslide of injuries and it's rough to see an offensive powerhouse slowly dwindle to a gimped qb and a glass receiver.


Ryannr1220

We had the same amount of injuries. If both teams were healthy it would be nearly the same outcome lmao


CidRonin

Wait... you're telling me with holes hunt was finding that the number 1 rush team across the board wouldn't have run a lot more against the 28th? Rush defense had one of the best backs in the league not been injured? I really think you underestimate just how important the one two punch run game is to us.


ChildishGenius

I mean weird to brag when the browns are decimated by injury.


Ryannr1220

We are injured just as much lmao


ChildishGenius

Objectively false


Ryannr1220

WE LITERALLY DIDNT EVEN HAVE OUR COACH LMAO You are on crack brotha


ChildishGenius

That’s not an injury lol


Ryannr1220

We had our best offensive lineman out, best tight end out, an interior defensive lineman out, OH AND CHANDLER FUCKING JONES. And to top it all off, Kliff was out. You are genuinely a fucking idiot if you think the browns were so much more injured than us lmao.


ChildishGenius

Two offensive lineman, two running backs (the majority of their offense), their best WR, what else? You’re grasping lol.


Ryannr1220

Yes… which puts both teams approximately even with regards to inactives…. What are you not understanding?


ChildishGenius

No that’s not even close to even. Moron


Parking_Cat4735

Stop with the excuses. Every team has injuries


ChildishGenius

Lol they’re not even my team, I’m just saying you look silly talking trash about “dominating” when the refs were horrible and the browns are missing both RB’s, two lineman, their best WR, etc. Sure the cardinals aren’t 100% either but I don’t think that was a dominating performance


vaesauce

They kind of have a right to be salty. Some bogus reffing for both teams but mostly, they also just got dealt some big injuries.


Ravenwing19

By Injuries and Refs. Y'all played well but don't pretend it was all on you.


Killspree90

Yeah it wasn't the 3 turnovers you had or the poor offensive yardage that cost the browns the game surely


Ravenwing19

We have Chubb Both our tackles back and we could drop 40 on them.


blakenard

Honestly I used to enjoy browns fans. They’ve been horrible this thread.


ConfusedButler

They went from lovable underdogs to overly-cocky. Still got love for them though, they’re learning how to handle being good.


Phoenixapartment

Lol


Paranoidexboyfriend

That’s what happens to some teams that aren’t used to being good who get a taste of some success and don’t understand that even if you come a long way to go from bad to contender, that going all the way is an even longer trip, while the road back to bad is quick. Especially when the rookie qb contract runs out. Jags went through the same thing the season they lost to the pats in the playoffs. They assumed they belonged with the blue bloods and gained that unearned air of arrogance. Then quickly crashed back to earth.


Haunting-Thought88

Sounds like Chiefs fans tbh


blakenard

Same, dude.


Exatraz

Just enough success to get a little hope that they have to defend with years of pent of misery


AcesCharles2

I think the back to back of last week's officiating and this week's really soured the mood. Normally we are better, and more self-aware.


Jay-xo2

And that sucks too because I feel for Browns fans and how long they suffered as a fanbase


dizZzy5

NFL teams are 2-0 without a head coach


RedBuchan

Didnt the Lions lose a game last year with their coaching staff out?


blakenard

Y’all keep saying cardinals are a good team, but name one quality loss they’ve had all season. Betcha can’t.


Alphanerd93

Took me a second haha


RevolutionaryDot5377

That drive looks alot less impressive when you realize it was all because of that rtp call.


billy8988

Worst 6-0 team since you know who


Jengaman64

I'm new. We really that bad? Also who is you know who?


Wordonmystreet

The Steelers


SeagateSG1

It’s a reference to last year, PIT went 11-0 and every week during that run everyone would call us the worst team to ever win that many in a row.


Jengaman64

Oh damn thats annoying.


Posluszny

Only two teams have given up less than 32 points this season against the Cardinals. The 49ers and the Jaguars, two notably great defenses.


consemmae

Our time honoured tradition of playing to the level of our opponents


curtisjones-daddy

Myers coach of the year


Posluszny

If we win another game this year he's doubled our wins from last year, gotta be a COTY contender for that


curtisjones-daddy

You’ve got a chance at 3 more in my book, possibly 4 with Seahawks QB situation.


ConfusedButler

Do the Browns have TNF this week?


808Cardinals

Against the Broncos.


16InchGrinch

They play us. They should be fine


Ickyhouse

We only have 2nd string players left. You’ll be fine.


16InchGrinch

"No. You take the win, I insist." That's how i imagine our game is gonna go


[deleted]

nah it'll just be another blowout as we get muddled down to our 3rd stringers or something


16InchGrinch

We're talking about the same team with different logos 😭


The_Starfighter

We can't beat a 3-3 team with both of the RBs that the offense is built around out of commission.


16InchGrinch

You must not know bout ol "head coach" vic round these parts


TeeJ_P

Yep. Against the Broncos.


cubert2

Yes, atleast our backups do


Charliebaltimore1346

Once again, the most overrated team in the league lmao