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Daily Discussion

usamapervaiz

If you've got some free time, I recommend you watch this masterpiece by Aditya on Cristiano and Messi. Beautifull. https://youtu.be/TQNQWkdaAIE


cdalb21

How pissed do you think Ronaldo is that Messi is about to move to PSG with a very very good chance at another UCL + Ballon D'or??


wharsmetoothpicson

I think the Balon D'or is probably nailed on for this year already in fairness.


sefronia3

How did Garner look?


usamapervaiz

Skinny


novacantusername

Guess Mektominej will start against Leeds


killerdrama

Can someone who has watched a decent amoung of pre-seasson games tell me how Leeds is looking? I can see they haven't won a single game but can those results be taken at face value? They had most players available right from start isn't it?


Deanshat

I only watched the 4-0 Ajax game. Their defense looked horrendous


atherionz

If messi is interested in joining us, and we offer him around 700k/w, what do you reckon? would you still take him in? ​ E: damn i'm just trying to have some peaceful discussion and get my karma to 50 so i can comment on other post as well, but got downvoted instead. Oh well


fairlyrandom

Doubt it'd happen. But I mean.. its Messi. Of course I'd take it.


Stebro1986

2 seasons it would cost £72 million for the best player in the world its worth it


II-I-Hulk-I-II

Actually, there’s a tiny bit more finance to it. You’ve got the signing on fee which for a free transfer can be ridiculous, but even lowballing like £5-6m then appearance fees like 100k for every appearance, 50k for being on the bench, performance bonuses, agent fee probs around £2m+ by the end so I reckon it would total £100m+ for the two seasons and we don’t know if he’s gonna replicate the same performances so it’s risky imo. Bright side to PSG getting him would be Pogba having zero transfer options which could make a new contract more viable. I kind of got the impression he was holding off to see if the club brought in some big names this summer and *hopefully* Sancho and Varane have ticked that box.


atherionz

How much would you think is a fair wage for him and for us would be, without destroying our wage structure ofc.


II-I-Hulk-I-II

I think what we were paying Sanchez tbh so max 500k + extras Thing is though we can’t compete when you’ve got the MLS and Chinese leagues. If the PSG deal falls through then I think we’ll see him move to MLS


parisjava

I don't think you would destroy the wage structure at even 700k. There's only one Messi. The other squad members aren't close to the impact and popularity of Messi. He's a living legend.


charredfella

Destroying our wage structure to see Messi at old trafford would be worth it.


novacantusername

We’ll might sell a few more shirts too


Reasonablytallman

Genuinely curious about what they’ll do with these Instagram countdowns when they get to number 4. I know Jones is just as much a United player as anyone else on paper but it’ll just seem a bit weird.


wharsmetoothpicson

They might use it to announce Varane has the number now.


EyeHefty7898

Villa is coming after Arsenal's head this season lol.


trollatron786

I dont Know if this is allowed but I found this extremely funny " Only arsenal could give their fans suicidal thoughts after a mental health charity match. Season's over" . Taken from the gunner subreddit


bluehead18

Preseason games mean nothing, but have arsenal won a single one? 😭😭😭😭


benvolioh

They slapped Millwall and Watford, but beyond that no.


Gytarius626

I know pre season games shouldn’t be taken too seriously but the fact we played exciting, high tempo football and overwhelmed what was essentially Evertons first team without Rashford/Cavani/Sancho/Varane is promising. Then you look at Arsenal who haven’t won all preseason, City losing to Leicester and Liverpool drawing with Athletic Club with Robertson getting an injury.


rioferd888

It’s encouraging but preseason games rarely matter. Important thing is our players get match fit and stay healthy. Hopefully we get our full team back this week.


TheAlmightyKrot

You have no idea how little preseason games matter. The only thing that should worry or cheer you is repeating patterns but considering we played all but one game with 10 B and C team players even the patterns are irrelevant in the end.


MrImRumble

I liked how we played yesterday but the first half was a better display of tempo than the second half and we kind of slacked without Matic in there. Gives me a bit of a concern of how the tempo will suffer if McFred are in the midfield together.


TheSmio

McFred can handle the tempo imo. Fred-Pogba can't. That's why Garner came on the pitch to help them out.


MrImRumble

Honestly I really enjoyed the first half. Donny and Matić are a match made in heaven.


snare123

VdB looked great in the first half yesterday I thought. Having a solid DM next to him really looks like the key and allows him to play more in the mould of his time at Ajax, big season for him this year but if we get a DM in the next month it obviously gives him the best opportunity.


its-a-real-name

Sorry but I have to share so someone can share some eye bleach. You can have a custom name for the people online on a sub. The scousers one says *”x hoping for an injury-free year”.* Talk about taking pity on yourself. Jumped on there to see if Robertson’s injury today was a bad one, and couldn’t believe my eyes when I came across that horrific picture of self-pity and victimisation. They are a different breed.


killerdrama

The first club in history to go through an inury crisis? \s


systemsruminator

Spurs fans trying to banter us for having ambition to win trophies is hilarious ngl. They have the advantage of london location, have a net spend of more than 60-80m regularly after the stadium was built and yet are nowhere in the league lol. Never seen a more mental fanbase than Spurs. they have a weird hard on for Levy lol. Pathetic.


adiaman

Arsenal, Spurs both looked shite today. Good to see our style of play has improved so much under Ole.


cdalb21

Yo I can’t for the life of me understand how people don’t see a style under Ole. It’s clear and obvious.


stringsandthings3

If Arteta is still at Arsenal in the new year I'll be shocked


systemsruminator

Arsenal started well defensively than got shittier. Their 50m pound defender getting skinned by Moura lol. Can't wait for the season to start. I cant wait to give Arsenal fans some banter lol. heard enough about our slabby.


InterestingWar9880

Robertson injury todays match looks serious.


NeverMadeItToCakeDay

All my fpl draft teams are getting rotated


[deleted]

[A really old post after the CL exit,Enjoy!](https://old.reddit.com/r/reddevils/comments/lk89ay/any_other_manager_would_be_getting_a_lot_more/)


Skyehye

Really old? 5 months ago?


[deleted]

It seems like it. I still sometimes mistakenly make the RW joke and then realize we have signed Sancho


DormantVain

If Messi goes to PSG, I hope they can prise Ronaldo off Juve too. Might be the last chance to see both of them play together.


jakk_22

Doubt it. As of now they will already struggle to fit messi, neymar, mbappe, di maria, and icardi into the starting 11


novacantusername

Jeez, Messi, Neymar and Mbappe….


JustBeingHere4U

Di Maria and Icardi will be benched. Not too much to struggle there really. Yes , Ronaldo for Neymar or Mbappe is hard.


deviant_mind_

One CDM man.. that's all I want.. BTW any concrete report for the Ilaix Moriba links?


TheSmio

If we're sensible, then we're not interested in Moriba


killerdrama

He's seriously talented and even though he's a self centered person at this age.. people get out of such phases with some maturity.


TheSmio

But is his talent worth 20-30mil and 100k a week along with all the trouble we could have with him? I'm not convinced.


deviant_mind_

I would not mind him if we don't get Camavinga. But first, we need a CDM.


TheSmio

He is definitely talented, but he's also reportedly a bit of an asshole and as Ole put it, "I'd rather have a hole in my squad than an asshole". If we don't get Camavinga, I'd look at different targets. Agree about the DM though.


deviant_mind_

True, don't want a rotten apple but afaik he creating problems with his wages and want in the region of 50kpw


TheSmio

From what I have read, he demanded something around 100k a week even though he is already the highest paid player in La Masia (after he did the same stunt a couple of years back and Barca accepted his demand). This means that despite playing only around 700 minutes for their first team so far, he is already earning more than Fati or Pedri yet he still demanded more money. All of this in a situation where Barca has to offload a lot of players to fit into a salary cap.


MrImRumble

I read somewhere he wanted an increase up to €100K/week as Barcelona was trying to gather money for Messi. He's another money grabber in the making. Let someone else get him.


[deleted]

Another view of Bruno’s free kick from[ yesterday ](https://youtu.be/Z6DpPQ8QdLg)


VaderHater21

Is it Saturday yet?


HeedWobbit

How good is Maguire compared to van Dijk?


[deleted]

Way clear than Van Dick


TheSmio

I'd say that Van Dijk is Maguire + athleticism. Therefore, Maguire isn't as good as him. If he was more agile, quicker and didn't turn like a bus, then he could be comparable, but that's clearly not going to happen. Still one of the very best CBs in the Prem though and we don't know how Van Dijk is going to recover from his injury, so.... anything is possible, Maguire could be better in the future.


its-a-real-name

>I'd say that Van Dijk is Maguire + athleticism. That comparison is too simplistic. The areas they carry the ball, the passes they make and the recoveries they make among other things are different. They have similar styles in terms of being ball playing CBs. But you could say that about any 2 of that type of CB. To say their traits are identical bar one is a bit mad.


TheSmio

I wasn't really talking about their playstyle, rather their overall quality. I think it's not a bad comparison even though it's obviously quite simplified. At the end of the day, Van Dijk doesn't really have any major weaknesses while Maguire has the obvious weakness in his agility.


VKDNyke_

Small correction, Agility and speed. Athleticism is broad category. Maguire isn't slow, just not agile (agility as in he can't change his direction that easily). On fitness or ability, Maguire would be slightly higher. His performances as a ball playing CB for us and at the Euro's atleast can easily tell us that.


United08

Not as.


Mr_Procrastinator103

Yo guys I highly recommend watching the football podcast called "The Masterclass" with Haider and Rob Blanchette (football expert) where they talk about football tactics, what's the function of players, how the transfer target fits in, etc. etc. His analysis of the game is fantastic and so insightful and most importantly he doesn't put any agenda when talking about it, he's very very objective about it unlike many YouTubers or Twitter ppl who talks with their agenda and emotion. One thing I slightly disagree on is him playing down Bruno little too much sometimes. He's a massive advocate of Pogba and he doesn't appreciate much of Bruno and criticizes him quite a bit (saying he's a final ball merchant, he's world class at final balls in transition but struggles to create from deep). But overall his analaysis of the game is so insightful. Must watch. [here's the link](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5aDp64--77TJi5-VfrTQLg)


systemsruminator

>He's a massive advocate of Pogba and he doesn't appreciate much of Bruno and criticizes him quite a bit oof.


Mr_Procrastinator103

Lol that's the only thing that makes me raise my eyebrows a bit. But other than that he's really excellent at breaking down games.


puffnotdiddy

Had no idea we had Gollini, Spurs new GK, in our books once


dreampacific

It would be interesting if someone compiles a lost of goalkeepers how have once been on our books


TheSmio

Huh, interesting, I didn't know that either. To be fair, we always seem to develop good keepers.


VKDNyke_

Johnstone, Henderson, Heaton, Forster, some good PL keepers off the bat afaik.


TheSmio

Ron-Robert Zieler as well, even though he didn't establish himself that much, still a solid keeper


Arth_

What would be your starting XI against Leeds? I'd personally go for: De Gea - Shaw, Maguire, Lindelof, AWB - Matić, Fred - Pogba, Bruno, James - Greenwood Defence + goalkeeper seems fairly straight-forward. Midfield is a bit trickier. I'd say Matic deserves a start after pre-season he's had. Then you have van de Beek, Fred, McTominay and Pogba for 2nd midfield spot. I know that some really liked vdB against Everton, but to be honest I'm still not entirely convinced by him in a double pivot. I expect transitions to be crucial, and we don't want to be overrun, so I went with Fred for his work rate and tenacity and he's probably more match fit than McTominay. Forward four is where it gets really hard to decide. Bruno and Greenwood seem like nailed on choices at the moment, but the remaining two might go whatever. I could actually see any two of James, Pogba and Martial starting. James had almost a full pre-season, unlike the others, but failed to impress in any of the games he's had. On the other hand, he's good at pressing high and offers a counter attacking threat, which might come in handy against Leeds. Pogba and Martial both looked rather meh against Everton and neither are known for working hard defensively. Pogba may offer that extra bit of creativity for the team. Martial would most likely play centrally, which would move Mason to right wing, where I thought he looked better thus far. Looks like Elanga is injured, but to be honest, if he was fit, I wouldn't be against giving him a cheeky chance to start as he impressed in pre-season, has a decent workrate and looked really good exchanging positions with Mason.


United08

I’d go McFred. Love Matic but with his lack of pace Leeds is not the fixture for him.


TheSmio

I think we should play Martial up top with Pogba on the left and Mason on the right. Also, Donny instead of Fred. We should just go for it. Leeds will either play a very open game again (so we can destroy them via counter-attacks), or they will park the bus and we will need quality on the ball (and Donny is much better in this compared to Fred). Another option that hasn't been mentioned is McTominay instead of Matic, because Leeds seem to suit him well as an opponent.


Orcnick

Saw someone else post mention this but I agree we are seeing more and more of these type of football fans which literally are a Fifa generation fans. While I don't agree with real Madrid Perez saying we need to move towards supporting these "new gen" fans it's so true they now exists. Some of the transfers comments on players, as though they can just press a button a sell a player it's crazy. These are ones who talked of Pivots every where, they talk about XG, playing AWB at CB etc. It just feels like there are more them across the bored recently. These are the people who in weeks time if we draw to Leeds will be calling for Oles head straight away. I not saying there's anything too wrong, but it just seems people think modern football is like the game.


MaybeIShouldSleep

Pivots and xg and related stats or terms are just language to help describe the game and help common understanding or communication, I wouldn't conflate that with fairweather fans or FIFA brained takes. ...I mean, I'm biased because I use those terms and am a data scientist by trade. Bad stats or interpretation aside the games long due it's statistical revolution.


its-a-real-name

The problem is that people use xG alone to form opinions and arguments. If used correctly in conjunction with actual hard stats, xG can be useful. Once these things become mainstream they start to lose context for many people.


MaybeIShouldSleep

Depends on the model too. Only a few take into account the defenders and goalies positions. Its something that can suppliment an analysis, it shouldnt be the base of one.


Zealousideal_Hat6501

people use xg and other stats of that nature without context to say one player is better than the other. They can certainly be useful but this statboy way of using it is not the way to evaluate a game or a player.


puffnotdiddy

I think OPs point is that some people take the simplicity of these video games logic and try to apply it in real life. Just because a team has higher xg doesn't mean they played better and deserved to win. Just because AWB has good tackling doesn't mean he can play DM, where in the video games this would make perfect sense going only by his stats.


MaybeIShouldSleep

Agreed. Bad stats are pretty ubiquitous in all fields. Models can be more or less meaningful, assumptions and interpretations differ and are informed by existing bias, not having good enough domain knowledge in the first place leads to people drawing wild conclusions (like AWB being a CB or DM). But it doesnt invalidate data driven analysis, people just arent literate in it.


Toastedmetal

Sancho and Cavani training pics tomorrow?


[deleted]

Yes x


hans_erlend

Bit off topic but did some one see the first five mins of the opening game in the danish super league?


Buffythedragonslayer

How? Too much smoke to see anything


BBQ_HaX0r

I don't get the people who hate Dan James and want him sold today. Dan James is not someone you want starting at United, but he's an ideal bench option and is huge in certain games where his pace, defensive pressures, endurance, and spacing is huge. Like he's an ideal player to have off your bench because in certain games where you need to cede possession and counter is where he thrives. He's cheap, doesn't complain about time, and is still young. Games like Liverpool or City is where he thrives. Combine that with his ability to play LW, RW, and put in a shift at striker and he's a great bench option. 10-15 times a year he's exactly what you need. I hate to be that guy, but it's clear some people get their knowledge from FIFA rather than actually looking at what makes competent squad building.


puffnotdiddy

I think people also look at ManCity squad building and think "if they can have a 50m bench player then why can't we?" and now we can see the problem with that model where quality players like Laporte, B. Silva and more asking to leave.


BBQ_HaX0r

The thing is we actually have good depth at our wing positions. City is obscene, but ours isn't anything to sneeze at. Rashford/Martial/Sancho at LW and Sancho/Greenwood/Rashford(ish) at RW. Then you throw in Dan James who is unlike any of those options and that's quality. You have the depth to survive an injury and you have a different look on the bench. That's quality squad-building.


Wahlrusberg

watching the NLD friendly at the moment and not sure Nuno is going to evolve much on Mourinho's football at all...hoof it up and see if the forwards have some magic in them


[deleted]

Bailly probably feels like a duffer for signing a new contract now that we’ve signed Varane. He’d be lucky to feature in more than 15 games next season assuming everyone stays fit. I only see him playing in early stage league cup/Fa cup games, dead rubbers in the CL and relegation fodder teams like Norwich


VKDNyke_

If it were me, imo, I'd have him moved on this window. His injury record and haphazard style of play will never truly create a secure choice for a rotational CB. Botman and Milenkovic are available on the market, and in terms of profile both can ably play as Ball-playing CB and rotate with Maguire and Varane. Only downside is they aren't as quick, (Lindelöf level). Bailly's move alone funds a transfer for both if we continue the proficiency at negotiations. He's a great lad in the dressing room, but his lack of availability when we need someone to rotate and lack of assuredness (has an odd error or injury in his game, which bites hard at the worst time) at the back doesn't give me any confidence, great player but to inconsistent. Mind you, it's easier to sell Bailly then Phil Jones at this point, and I'd rather cash in while we still can. Then again I'm not incharge of anything at the club so it's just an opinion.


Banyunited1994

Still not happy about the length of the contract, but the extension was a smart move to keep him as 4th choice and allow tuanzebe to go out on loan


systemcorp

Can I watch yesterday's game for free somewhere?


ThoreauWannabe

/r/FootballHighlights


systemcorp

Cool thanks mate


theyachtclub311

Anyone know when the membership packs are being sent out? Bought mine mid July and haven’t heard anything since.


Lingardinhooo

Villa looking decent this season. Tuanzebe joining them just confirms that i’m gonna watch most of their games. I presume he’ll start most PL games?


tyetforsyth

no Mings is club captain and Konsa is better than both Mings and Zebe. He's better than their backup Hause


JilJilJigaJiga

Konsa and Mings are surely first choice, but Axel should be next in line. Konsa could have a big transfer coning soon, smart move from Villa.


Wahlrusberg

It's not a guarantee as Mings and Konsa aren't a bad pair at all. However he'll have a much much easier time benching one of them than he will Maguire and Varane, that's for sure.


D1794

Given we're in pot 2 for the CL draw, Pot 1 looks not that bad. Chelsea and City who we cannot draw. Which leaves Bayern, Villareal, Atleti, Inter, Sporting, Lille who we can draw.


systemsruminator

If we get a DM before the end of the window, I hope we draw Bayern. No, I don't have a death fetish, just would like to see how our team measures up, once its complete and how far do we need to go. Feel like Bayern is a team that can give us a reality check. Hopefully though, its not a group of death again.


systemcorp

What better is we avoid Juve, Barca, Real, Sevilla and Dortmund too.


Tuusik

Juve, Barca, Sevilla and Dortmund avoid us.


JilJilJigaJiga

Hope it's Villarreal, need that sweet sweet revenge.


Wahlrusberg

Inter and Lille will be fielding the U23s by the end of the window.


kkkttt35

Hope it's Villarreal and we beat them in both legs.


[deleted]

Only if we sign trippier or another midfielder. Else they’ll force us to funnel the ball to AWB and it will be another snooze fest. I see Sancho playing on the left until Rashford comes back so we’re still going to have the same set up on the right for a while


MaybeIShouldSleep

We played pogba in the pivot that game and they gave him plenty of time on the ball. You shouldn't even be looking to play through the middle against set ups like that, it's congested to the point where even if a forward player gets the ball in a central area they've got nowhere to go with it and are instantly surrounded. You have to rely on wide players. Shaw was one of the few who created chances that game, Sancho should hopefully help in this, and maybe wan can continue to improve. Or like you said we get trippier.


[deleted]

The problem is Sancho will be playing on the left and AWB a black hole going forward. It will be a repeat of Europa final. At least if Rashford was fit we could play both him and Sancho


MaybeIShouldSleep

I'm hoping he starts on the right regardless tbh. It'll help fix our lobsided build up even not directly considering chance creation. I'd rather he play there and we start martial James lingard etc on the left.


andoooooo

If we need Trippier to beat Villarreal the problem lies elsewhere my dude


[deleted]

Yes but if I speak I’m in big trouble


davydog

Sorry if this is off topic, but I am an American looking to go to a match this year. Is the VIP package (specifically the Lancashire package) worth it at all? Do actual fans actually do this or is this a snobby / tourist thing to do? Would we be better off going to a pub close by the stadium before the match?


thesalfordmystic

Don't think the Lancashire package is worth it giving it's held at the nearby cricket ground, rather than Old Trafford football ground. Plenty of great restaurants in Manchester, and good pubs around the ground for pre-match atmosphere.


laffman

Didn't know Ashley Young returned to Aston Villa for this season. Will be nice to have him back in the PL.


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Dull_Cheesecake4982

What are the chances city will really land Kane?


BBQ_HaX0r

Slim. Why would they give Grealish the #10 if they were still expecting Kane?


its-a-real-name

They can still be cautiously optimistic about a transfer with a long way to go while still trying to keep Grealish happy and making him a key member. Main point being I wouldn’t think a number would be the key point of a transfer.


T4mvv1lc0xx

Looking very likely now Lautaro Martinez seems to be headed for Spurs. They're spending the Kane money before selling. They did the same when selling Bale


ALLMIGHTYHYDE

Fab just said Martinez is not leaving. Daily Mail is a shit source


T4mvv1lc0xx

Reliable British journos are saying the opposite. someone's info is late. fab is probably trying to control inter's narrative. he obviously gets paid to push some propaganda sometimes


Dull_Cheesecake4982

Dude city can literally play a competitive 11 a side internal game in training


amayes94

Their second team could probably finish in a European position


PUMP_UNTIL_BUST

City are effectively assembling an untouchable team. Theyre so far ahead of everyone else in the league it's unreal. Chelsea are closer, but still have no business beating City to the title. I really really hope we go deep in the CL this year, because I feel like we potentially have a shot there if we're not all overplayed and tired.


Baijsemann

Am I mad to go with Martial as forward on my FPL team?


systemcorp

Greenwood is much better value


JilJilJigaJiga

GW1 yes, after that Cavani and Sancho will be up for starts.


hudinisghost

He should be a starter for the first few weeks, probably on the left cutting in most of that time. So if you back him to have his scoring boots on then it’s not a bad shout


Hits_and_the_Mrs

Just seen on the BBC live reporting page of Messi's news conference that PSG have apparently booked the Eifel Tower for Tuesday to unveil him (like they did Neymar) regardless of that being true, just seems like a mad thing to be able to book.


PUMP_UNTIL_BUST

Not unheard of though. Neil Warnock booked the tower of London when he launched his own photography school, and Sean Dyche rented the Grasshopper's Arms on the high street in Bradford when he launched his own line of varnish. I think Dyche even hired the DJ from that big Asda near the ring road too.


dchudds

Dead 🤣🤣🤣🤣👌


N0t_4_karma

What would people class as a positive season for the club? Top 4? Later stages of the CL? Lifting the FA cup? Ole has a tough season ahead of him. He's been somewhat backed, a new contract and a good squad -- what's people's thoughts?


Cartoon_goon

Title challenge , CL quarter-final, preferably a FA Cup but a League Cup will do in a pinch. We've added some quality players and the squad is young enough that there's room for a lot of them to grow and improve so I see no reason why expectations should be anything less than that.


godish

One of the best displays of beating the press a Barca v utd cl finals For the first 5 - 10 mins utd just went nuts on attacking the ball Barca control was too good. Granted not sure how much of role Messi had in that but it was his team. Way before pressing was in fashion too iirc - saf light years ahead.


Buffythedragonslayer

Messi doing Barca one last favor and blaming Tebas. If you look at it with neutral eyes though you see even in a normal non Covid market you were always heading that way. Tebas didn't offer the wages Barca did. Also did you really do everything you can? Like sign a new contract last summer on heavily reduced wages to give Barça some breathing room for a year already and the possibility to get some cash for your team instead of leaving for free? Nope didn't think so. But keep blaming Tebas. Shows how moronic and gullible lot of people are.


godish

Buying grez when you don't need him for 120m - losing Messi for free not long after. Very weird. Plus other deals like the juv swap. It also essentially gave a rival a potential world class player in Felix sort of


Chaloopa

The Pjanic and Arthur swap was such a selfish move by Barto. It helped them short term financially, but was terrible in the long run.


bonbreezy

Can’t join the Subs FPL - can anyone help out?


niallw1997

Would you take 50 mil for Martial this summer if it was the only way we could buy a top class DM (Rice, Ndidi etc)


hurfery

Yes but no one will offer 50m for him at this point. He's on crazy wages too. Think the best we could get would be around 30.


Cartoon_goon

Wouldn't even have to think twice about it, yes. Unfortunately nobody will offer that much for him and West Ham for example are reported to value Rice at 90m.


Darkphobia_

Absolutely but let's be honest, I doubt anyone would pay 50 mil for Martial + his high wages.


niallw1997

I heard inter has 150 mil to play with


godish

They need to lay for Rom


Darkphobia_

No way they can afford his wages tho. And I don't think Martial is going to take a pay cut.


Big_Cee747

What are you muppets thoughts on the potential impact Messi going to PSG would have on our Pogba situation?


bonbreezy

Makes it even more likely that he will join for free next year. Everybody wants to play with messi at least once in his lifetime


Big_Cee747

Interesting. That is from Pogba's point of view though. Can PSG afford him? Or I guess FFP does not apply to Oil Money FCs


godish

Messi would be a good fit. Sancho on the left.


bonbreezy

Messi is just the fucking goat. No debate. Best dribbler, playmaker and goalscorer in one.


MrViceMcCreedy

Best dribbler and playmaker but Ronaldo's the best goalscorer.


godish

But he was a lazy poacher in the end that didn't defend


ukdanny93

When's the last time Messi did any defending do you reckon?


bonbreezy

Messi has a better goal ratio


MrViceMcCreedy

Not in laliga


wharsmetoothpicson

It was very tight when they were both in Spain. Ronaldo was slightly better in terms of strike rate, one goal every 84mins while Messi's was one goal every 85mins. In terms of actual goals scored Messi outscored Ronaldo 472 to 450. Assists were 176 for Messi and 119 for Ronaldo which equates to a goal contribution every 62mins for Messi and every 66mins for Ronaldo. Insane stats for both really.


bonbreezy

Yes because Messi started the campaign at the age of 17. Nevertheless, he is the goat. This should end the discussion.


systemcorp

Forget la Liga lol. What about UCL?


bonbreezy

Also there messi has a better goal ratio


MrViceMcCreedy

Ronaldo's the 1st 2nd and 3rd when it comes highest number of goals scored in a single UCL season, when it comes to the UCL, he's the GOAT period. Shows how comparing their ratio in their whole careers doesn't say the whole story. Man was beckham's replacement as a right midfielder while Messi was a forward from the begining. If you want a fair and proper comparison, compare their ratio during Ronaldo's time in Madrid.


systemcorp

Go check out the goals ratio in knockout games. Group stages often involve at least one or sometimes even two really weak teams. The more important the game, the more difference there is between Ronaldo and Messi. Go check out how many semi final goals Ronaldo has. He's on a different realm when it comes to big game goals, there is no question about it.


bonbreezy

Messi has more goals in big games than Ronaldo. Not many, but more. In 133 appearance it’s 136 to 131 for Messi


systemcorp

Lmao the delusion is insane. Go check out knockout UCL stats. Ronaldo has won 5 UCLs as his team's topscorer. Messi has won 2. Lmao. 5 vs 2 in terms of leading your team to the biggest trophy as the topscorer of your team. Messi has tortured Bayer Leverkusen and arsenal in the group stages aplenty lol no one arguing about that.


MrViceMcCreedy

And ronaldo's ratio is skewed by him playing much deeper than messi in his united days. Ronaldo's the GOATscorer and Messi's THE GOAT. Can't believe united fans of all people underrate our own legend.


WeslyAl

Eh I think Ronaldo is better in the box but Messi’s finishing is superior,they’re pretty close


MrViceMcCreedy

That's why I said "goalscorer" instead of finisher. You need to have good passing and vision, both of which are two different qualities, to be considered a great playmaker. Same goes for goalscorer. Anticipation, off the ball movement, ability under pressure etc are all some other factors that Ronaldo was better at.


bonbreezy

Messi also played much deeper than usual in his first 4 or 5 years in La Liga


systemcorp

No. He played false 9.


MrViceMcCreedy

Barca had good midfielders. He played much higher up.


Chaloopa

Since 14/15 Messi has been playing much deeper than Ronaldo while being a much more efficient scorer. I think last season was the only season Ronaldo had a better shot conversion rate.


godish

Well said


lomosaltadomo

Curious if a lot of Barcelona fans will quit supporting the club and move to supporting PSG now. They seem more like Messi fans above anything.


godish

Goat appeal


chronoistriggered

And they get +1 in neymar!


godish

Mbappe stays. Maybe new contract Messi. Neymar > failed Brazil wonder kids and ancient benzema


Varnagel_1

>ancient benzema ​ Eh, Benzema is 1 year younger than 34-year-old Messi and Neymar will turn 30 soon


godish

Yet be isn't on that level clearly and hardly worth leaving Ramos neymar Messi etc. Modric. Benzema. Kroos etc. Not that hot atm


vapianonuts24

Happens with superstars all the time. Same with Ronaldo going to juventus Lebron going to Miami or Los Angeles, Fans of these types of players often follow them more than the team so they have no problem switching allegiances


russ69

This is why I'm so glad he's not going to City. They would get such an influx of fans and I don't think I could live in a world where we can't banter City for having no fans.


eastendz

None of these fans actually go to matches so don’t worry they’ll still only have plastic seats in attendance.


Plumbsauce116

I know they denied Saf 2 champions league’s, but my god messi/xavi/iniesta was something else, sad day for football


united_7_devil

The whole situation with Messi leaving is so sad tbh. He deserved to leave on his own terms. I don’t feel shit for barca tho.


timeforsheroes

He did leave on his own terms. 35mil/year terms.


Dalsim9

Yeh he should be a one club man. Barca are fucked up


NSFWar

I wanna get retro jerseys off dh gate. Does anyone recommend any particular seller that isn't dodgy and has reliable delivery?


strandzen

With Inter heading for liquidation, would Barella be an option for a DM?


niallw1997

Barella isn’t really a DM, he’s like the epitome of a B2B. Brozovic on the other hand could be an option for DM


levitoepoker

The liquidation rumor is BS Sun tier reporting. It doesnt even make sense. They would sell the team before they sold all their good players and became a relegation level side, that would tank the value of the team


strandzen

If BS they still have major financial problems dont they? Just reading a bit about their financials on the toilet at work so not the most in depth analysis tho.