[Transfer Round Up and Discussion] Summer 2021
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No reliable midfield links for well over 3 weeks. Allah... looking to be a long transfer window
Are we going to buy a midfielder or what
I'm enjoying the meltdown of arsenal fans with ramsdale, poor guy move to a slightly bigger club but fans venting frustration with higher ups at him, kind of a cavani situation.
Selling top 10 keeper in the world (Martinez) for a championship keeper and paying 30m in the process, oi oi oi. I would be fuming too. and yes, for me Martinez is one of the best in the world.
As much as i love laughing at Arsenal, do you honestly blame them? he's gone down with the last two teams he's played for, I personally don't think he's good at all
He’s basically their equivalent to Longstaff. Ramsdale is average at best. Good for mid table club, but no more. Their management seems to be actually willing to establish themselves as a proper mid table side like Everton, while fans are obviously remembering Wenger days and want the club to be ambitious and make transfers than make sense
Please make it three in a row, please make it three in a row...
>do you honestly blame them?
If you take away the context of arsenal needing attackers yet buying a gk for more than they sold a superior one last season ramsdale is a good player for the price. His team getting relegated is a weird thing to hold him by, he was Sheffield's poty last season. Sheffield shipped in less goals than crystal palace and Southampton but were piss poor in attack. He's young, English, and despite playing for bad teams performs well.
Are we selling players this window? So quiet. Wonder why we are not.
our board doesnt have enough neurons to sell anyone.
watch ous give lingard another extension to "preserve value".
Wages are always the problem with getting our players sold.
Most clubs outside the Prem are skint. Certainly doesn’t help our case that our deadweight are on high wages.
Our bald-headed, glove-wearing French winger/striker is the closest thing the world has had to Theirry Henry
Easy 2-0 vs Leeds.
Both goals to be assisted by Luke Shaw for my fpl needs 🙏🏽
Announce (Champions League) Varane!!!
How much you reckon it would cost to terminate Phil Jones contract?
Close to 12m *(4m per year with contract till 2024)*
Won't he be on a pay as you play type deal?
No idea, was that reported as such? I just went off his reported weekly wages.
I don't know. It made sense, but maybe we have a normal contract with him. While fishing I found mengi is still on 600 pw
His contract's till 2023
Gotcha, so 8-9m then.
Who’s idea was it to give him a contract till 2024?
I'd guess Woodward. But iirc in 2019, we wanted Smalling to leave and Rojo was a lost cause. That left us with Lindelof and Bailly as the only senior CBs with a 80m Maguire coming in.
I guess we gave the contract because buying two CB would have been costly in the market if Jones was let go.
I did not follow that summer closely but this is the only way an extension makes sense to me. We've repeated the same with Bailly this year. That's my theory.
Why would we terminate it? We aren't in a situation like Barcelona where we need to save on wages.
I’m just curious
They way we’ve managed this preseason is criminal.
We signed Varane and Sancho in July but they won’t be fit enough to start the opener. Grealish was signed later than both and has already debuted for City.
Cavani still isn’t even in the UK and will have to quarantine for 10 days (?). Our back up striker Martial has played 45 mins of football in the last 5-6 months or so.
Fred, McTominay and Pogba have barely played and probably aren’t match fit.
Sancho was in his FIFA required holiday, which started late due to the transfer
Varane had visa issues and then had to quarantine
Cavani hasn't been with his family in over a year due to Covid and I'm pretty sure his kid was just born
How's that the club's fault?
If Sancho was in his FIFA required holiday then why wasn’t Graelish? He also went to the euro final
He didn't have to stay behind a few days and complete a transfer
Adding to this, Martial was injured and the rest were on holiday after playing for their countries. Can't really do a lot about that.
Only Liverpool have had a good pre season because their players were either not picked for their countries or are Africans. Mane and Salah will go for afcon in the middle of the season so Liverpool will suffer then.
Anyone know how Bernard did for Hull? I know he missed in the shootout but how did he do in the game?
I know this guy is tier of shame, but...
Possible Varane announcement will be pushed back to tomorrow. Varane has done medical, posed for unveiling shots and done club media chat. Squad number believed to be previously unoccupied by a player. #mufc
Luckhurst has become decent for stuff like this recently, I’d be inclined to believe him.
What makes him unreliable is that he tried to repots on what X player’s grandmother said to them on the phone and what Y player thought about their breakfast.
Remember when people were convinced that Fosu-Mensah was the answer at CDM
And now people on here are saying Lindelof for CDM.
Tbf he was very promising but faded out into obscurity. Looked super athletic with good footballing ability at the timr
This sub has been bonkers for a looooong time when it comes to our youth players... Overhype doesn't start to describe it.
I'd rather have over hyping our youngsters rather than not caring about them or using them as a source of income like other clubs, we're a club that we are now because our youth ranks.
I'd be more extatic if Greenwood could show that he can be a top 5 striker in the world in a couple of years this season, than the prospect of signing Haaland cause he's one of our own.
I get it and agree, but after close to a decade on this sub you get kinda jaded… but so it goes
Yeah let’s hype our players and then abuse them when they fail and send them on garbage loans elsewhere
I can understand Quarantine and Visa issue. But can someone explain me how did we not sort Varane contracts since the deal was announced back in Jul 27. On the other hand Psg sorted and delivered one of the biggest contract for the biggest player with in a couple of days.
The club is truly Shambolic sometimes!!
Brexit I guess
According to Laurie who tall. There was a minor contract issue..
Possible benched for the Leeds game..
I’ve read the PSG had already prepared a contract for Messi way in advance. Also apparently PSG just caved into all of Messi’s demands like saying he will always prioritise Argentina games and that Argentina staff can use PSG facilities.
Obviously don’t know if that’s all true though lol
who cares really, the deal is done
Deal is done ..really hyped for today’s announcement..but it is what it is..
Well, if we'd completed the deal early maybe Varane could have started vs Leeds
That’s the whole point…right..
What do you think our front three is going to look like for Leeds? I’m thinking:
I agree: James - Martial - Greenwood.
We need pace against Leeds and they all offer that
I'm thinking Pogba might start on the left with Matic Mct/Fred pivot.
What type of midfielder should we be chasing, I still dont know.
Would we be better off with a Ndidi type of player who is a destroyer but defintely wont help us break down teams. McFred arent pure destroyers but against big teams they have never let us down. But we cant really play Bruno with Pogba attacking with only 1 of them holding.
But a problem we faced last season was breaking down a low block, Sancho will help but maybe we're better off with a player in the mould of Modric for example who can dictate play and create from deep. Or dont buy one and put this money into cloning and make ourselves a new Carrick who seems like the most perfect player for us right now.
Tielemans or similar. Someone agile enough to keep the back line protected with Fred, but with the passing ability to break the opponent lines.
The Ndidi destroyer type.
If we're playing 4123 then we have FIVE players to break down a team lol. We'll be fine.
Footage of Varane laughing with Ole soon?
Does anyone know how realistic is De jong leaves Barca this summer?
Cool. The one Pedri please.
i think it is really realistic
he is the only player that would bring a lot of money while reducing the wage bill at the same time. everyone else either goes for peanuts to reduce the wage bill or gets a good transfer fee but the wages are neglible.
Ducker’s Colisso tweet had me dying from laughter 😂😂😂
No announcement :(
It’s only 5pm
Any solid links for any future business? Camavinga was a wait and see situation about a month ago but it looks like we're not going to do much else this window
It maybe the inverse, Italians never leave Italy and plus it's for England.
Our signings under Ole lean towards players who can integrate into the squad. English, Portuguese or French speaking players usually fit into our squad a lot easier. Italian speaking ones would probably be tricky - I don't think we have any Italian speakers in the squad at all.
Pogba definitely can. Bruno and Cavani played there so I assume can too.
Because it makes too much sense, jokes aside he’s likely going to Juve.
He only wants Juventus.
Shampiyonsleek Varane announcement in 10 mins? 👀👀
More then Martial, More then Jones, I want DDG to come back to his prime for 1 year. If he could drag us for one whole season and we finished a distant second with a terrible backline, then with the defense infront of him heading into the new season, our defense could prove to be the foundation of a stellar year of multiple trophies.
There are a few glaring issues with De Gea regardless of the actual regression in his shot stopping capability, which is in itself a big deal.
It is fairly obvious that he prefers to stay on his line and is uncomfortable playing a sweeper keeper role which we will definitely need this year since we will play a higher line. Then there is his failure to command his box during set pieces which is due to a lack of assertiveness and to a certain extent a lack of communication (not as vocal as Henderson).
Finally, De Gea has always performed better when he has more shots to face. The worse our defense is the better he usually gets. Given that we’ve signed Varane, chances are we will face even fewer shots on goal than in previous seasons. That’s where he has historically been poor. Perhaps due to concentration issues.
So even if he manages to recover a bit of his old shot stopping capability, which is a big if, he is still not really suitable for the way we want to be playing moving forward.
His form recently was better than when he had that bad patch at the start. And it is unfortunate that his set piece rushing out judgement and ability isn't as good as his one on ones. But honestly there isn't another goalkeeper in the game I'd swap him for as on his day he is the best in the world and Henderson, no disrespect to the lad as he's a really good keeper who is good enough to take over if de Gea leaves, just isn't in the same ballpark as an on form de Gea, especially as Hendo doesn't offer anything different in terms of set pieces.
How exactly does Henderson not offer anything from set pieces?.. his ability to command his area and come out for set pieces and claim the ball are his two biggest strengths
I said Henderson doesn't offer anything *different* from set pieces to de Gea, not that Henderson doesn't offer *anything* from set pieces. He tends not to rush out for the ball, particularly in packed boxes, for corners for example - which is the same as de Gea.
De gea doesn’t claim the ball to a level even close to Henderson,, he never calls for it either
I didn't say he did so have no idea why you are mentioning this? I was talking about their comparative abilities do defend from set pieces - which is a weak point for both of them in their overall game.
> Hendo doesn’t offer anything different in terms of set pieces
He offers A LOT different in terms of set pieces is what I’m implying
That isn't what the stats show IIRC. And not what I recall seeing anecdotally either. He certainly has more presence and seems more vocal but in terms of positioning, rushing out, lingering on the line, jumping, etc. there is no significant difference in the results of what happens from corners either defensively or in terms of counter-attack.
There is a difference, Henderson's 'catches' are greater than DDG's. He has more sweeping actions than DDG and the average distance from the goal for all such actions is much 'higher' than DDG's. In fact, Henderson ranks in the top percentile of PL keepers in the categories I mentioned.
Fbref captures the numbers, but if the doubt still persists, I can expand on the same points using those numbers in the following replies.
[Here](https://utddistrict.co.uk/2021/07/21/tactical-analysis-henderson-vs-de-gea-a-battle-of-numbers-and-mentality/amp/) are the stats you’re talking about, have a look at the very first graph p90, Henderson stops about 8.6 crosses into the box, David stops only about 4.6, almost half the number
It's getting a bit repetitive that Bayern players (or agents) keep using United as a bargaining chip to land a bigger payday & extended contract... first Goretzka, now Tolisso ? Don't they know that we're not the United of old anymore ? Imo they should use Arsenal or Chelsea now, it'd make a whole lot more sense ;)
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Don't really understand why the mods are deleting threads for this tweet.
With Arsenal spending money like crazy, now the pic with every club's season ticket price make sense.
But jokes aside, neither their spending nor their season ticket's price makes sense.
Waiting for Barcelona to fuck up till the end of transfer window too and have to let go of pedri or de jong. We get de jong for cheap. :D
De jong is on astronomical wages, and Barca would ask for a really high fee.
I’d love de jong, but he’s one of the few players everyone at Barca rates and isn’t commanding a ludicrous, undeserved wage, he ain’t moving unless it literally is a fire sale there
De Jong is a dream signing but yeah it’s never gonna happen.
At this point they need a literal fire sale there. But maybe they'll find a workaround. In any case FDJ can be filed under a pipe dream to which I have subscribed.
Pjanic seems to be going to Juve and in the worst case they just won't register Umtiti and Coutinho for the league. It's not like they were essential to the team lat season
have we been linked to Ander? Possible Herrera return to OT? If for cheap, I'd take him back
He's old and left us for money (which he deserves btw) plus we're loaded in his position. ... so i think that ship has sailed.
Another cm, no thanks, we need a matic type player who can anchor the midfield, herrera would replace the fred role, which Fred is fine at.
I doubt it'd happen, but man, wouldn't it be amazing if Barca failed to sell so wouldn't be able to register Aguero and we signed him for free, like we did with Owen? I love seeing rivals legends in our shirts (and obviously hate it the other way, fuck you Tevez). If he helped us win the title it's be something I reckon.
Hes got bad knees, can't play to save his life rn, no want bad knees guy.
Didn’t he get a stem cell regeneration surgery for his knees a week or so back? No idea how effective it is tbf
For his knees yes but he got injured again, stem cell regeneration can be a hit or a miss.
As i said, like we did with Owen - he was injured for most of the time, but it was fucking worth it seeing him win PL with United. Aguero scoring in last minute of derby game? Sign me up, idgaf. He wouldn't be starting every game, he'd be used in rotation, but not so heavy, might be good for his health as well.
I'm fairly certain that Aguero would never decide to join us.
That's why I said it probably won't happen.
Arsenal will outspend us this summer, but we are too poor for a midfielder lol
Not to defend our transfer policy, but we don't spend of the sake of spending. It's gotta be the right players, the right profile... There's not many players that can instantly improve us out there that wants to join us for the right reasons right now.
The only metric that matters to determine a successful transfer window is amount spent! We should have just paid 130 for Sancho and 70 for varane, then we'd have a better window than arsenal.
That's bs. Lots of midfielders for decent prices that would improve us out there. This is an excuse if i've ever heard one.
Who might these players be?
Denis Zakaria, Ruben Neves, Aurélien Tchouaméni. To name a few.
You clearly haven’t watched Denis Zakaria last season
Denis Zakaria came off a huge knee injury that's why bigger clubs are put off him recently. Neves had a terrible season at Wolves last time although I do think he'd be a good player to target. Tchouameni it's been reported he's interested in staying in France for another season, probably on account of his age. So only one of those guys holds up. And Neves is decent at best.
I'd imagine the idea is to build a team of really good players rather than just buy someone decent to fill a hole. I do think we need a DLP and a replacement on Fred and McT in the B2B role but I think unless Rice or Canmavinga magically become available, it's not happening.
It's the same as last season when the club weren't really interested in players like Sarr and Dembele after the Sancho deal collapsed.
Neves would be an upgrade on whatever we have now in the holding midfielder role. One bad season doesn't mean he's suddenly average, he's good at this specific job.
And i only named 3 at the top of my head, there's more obviously. My point is there's not a lack of midfielders suddenly. We just don't want to spend the money, that's all.
And you've spoken to their club representatives and they've confirmed to you their prices and availability?
The prices tier 1 reporters give are usually in the correct ball park. But if you want to believe the club isn't signing them because they are priced at Declan Rice levels, then go ahead. Anything to absolve the club from not giving Ole the best chance at a title race i suppose.
So jealous. I wish we had the ambition of them to sign Ben White, Lokonga and Ramsdale.
Them spending it on shit only furthers my point
Making Ramsdale one of the top 10 highest goalkeeper transfer fees. 😂😂
I probably don't know much about this stuff but I'd imagine it's easier spending money on shit players for the sake of it than actually buying players that fit the team going forward.
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I don't get Arsenal man. A lot of clubs outside England this summer are struggling big time financially, what do they do? Shop in England instead. 75-80m on White + Ramsdale is pretty crazy
They sold Martinez to Villa for 20m and are buying Ramsdale for 30m.
They had a back up keeper but they just let him go as well.
I was watching AFTV today as I had my lunch for a bit of entertainment, that Lee guy made good points in that they had the third best defense in the league but one of the worse attacks and they go spend 50mil on Ben White.
You know ultimately fuck Arsenal but this is just becoming sad now, two back to back 8th place finishes, not getting the players they need, the delusion of the fans thinking they can get Berando Silva, it's just all become a bit tragic really.
Barcelona's decent has been rapid, it took a year and let's be honest they're still going to compete because la Liga is so poor. Arsenal it's like watching someone fade away slowly in front of you.
I think strengthening in defence will give them a little more freedom going forward, being less dependant upon their midfield to protect them etc. Im very much hoping thats what Ole is seeing with Varane - build a defence thats an impenetrable wall (see 08/09 season), and then just let your midfielders focus on being midfielders, relieve them of some of their defensive duties and suddenly you're playing midfielders to their strengths, rather than handicapping them with duties they're not ideal at, for the good of the team.
As for their attack, unless they sell either Laca or Auba, i feel like its going to be hard to justify buying replacements and then benching one of the aforementioned players. It could make them fight for their position like we saw with Shaw, or they could simply settle which feels like a reoccurring theme at Arsenal. Someone like Maddison could help, but they really need to get Auba firing again.
I think the difference is our attack was already firing. We scored a shed load of goals last year. They didn't. Varane helps us in minimally in that aspect but it will make a big difference overall, they need a huge change.
Auba is done, the man is 32 and has mentally checked out. Whether he can still do it physically he doesn't have the drive someone like Cavani has, as soon as he got that big contract it was over. The best thing they can do is get rid of him now.
Ben White, Ramsdale and their other signings in a vaccum are smart signings. Unfortunately in the current circumstances they're so far from what they need. A club only has a set time to get back to revelance. Another bad season makes it harder to attract the players you need and the manager you want
> You know ultimately fuck Arsenal but this is just becoming sad now, two back to back 8th place finishes, not getting the players they need, the delusion of the fans thinking they can get Berando Silva, it's just all become a bit tragic really.
I love watching them fail, but not necessarily at this level. Maybe I just have such fond memories of the SAF/Wenger rivalry that I kinda miss it, or maybe I’d rather see a team like Arsenal enjoy some success compared to oil merchants. Banter with Arsenal fans used to be fun but now I just get sad when it’s met with “Yeah, I know :( “
>they had the third best defense in the league but one of the worse attacks and they go spend 50mil on Ben White.
Not grouching at you but I keep seeing this pointed out and IMO it's just a misdirected use of that stat. They had such a good defense because they setup that way. Deep defense, 2 defending midfielders, etc.
The whole goal of the White transfer(I'm assuming) is to rely more on their CB quality for stayiing good in defense while opening up moving forward.
Their attack was so shit because they spent the majority of their games playing defensively. To me it seems like they are trying to build a better backline so they feel more comfortable opening up and trying to build attacks
Think they are preparing for relegation battle , getting some experience in early.
could be that they need to hit their english quota as well
The ramsdale deal is a robbery, Arsenal overpaying heavily.
Neves for the thundercunt volleys
I want to preface this by saying that I actually like Dan James. I think he’s a quality sub and will be useful while Rashy is out. BUT
Any chance we get Leeds to send us Kalvin Phillips for Dan James + cash?? I know Leeds have wanted Dan for awhile now. And honestly Phillips impressed me more than Rice.
Nah he's their star player right now, there's no way they are letting him leave for anywhere close to a reasonable fee, even if you were to throw in Dan James. Would kill for him to be a United player tho
isnt philips just fred?
He can play Fred's CM role (like he did for England at the Euros alongside Rice), but he mainly plays the deep-lying DM role for Leeds.
He's a pretty complete midfielder and I'd bloody love him at the club, but we have next to no chance of getting him as he's Leeds through and through
Phillips played as the deep-lying DM when England had possession. As usual, Rice was a passenger in possession, which is precisely why I don't want him.
I like Phillips a lot, he's a very good player.
Phillips is way more of a true 6 and has better defensive positioning than Fred.
More chance of us signing Stevie Gerrard as our deep lying midfielder, mate.
Well Gerrard was an 8….
Shaun Wright-Phillips says Ben White is a better signing than Varane. Lol.
I get that he's a City fan but really?! 😂
Englishman praises another englishman, I'm shocked.
There were english tv pundits who tried to make a case for Foden as POTS
If you're talking about the overall improvement to the XI he has a point, but that's only because Arsenal are trash. Varane will improve united by 20% while White will improve them by 50%. (I made up the numbers to illustrate my point)
I see where you're coming from but by that metric the league two side who's just signed a fat bloke for CB where they had no players there is a better signing than Varane. Quality of the player has to be taken into account also.
Also when you measure the percentage of how they will improve, arsenal actually had the 3rd best defense in the league (apparently) their issue wasn't leaking goals, it was scoring goals. Our issue was we would play teams off the park and then concede stupid goals. Varane directly addresses this issue.
My bad fam, he's shit.
I did, take quality into account but White is supposed to help them going forward, they struggled to progress the ball last season and he should allow them a better platform for possession and chance creation. Arsenal essentially turtled up last year because they couldn't create, if they can control the ball better they'll be able to play more expansively.
Varane gives United security but won't change the play too much, White however should change the look of them.
PSG have apparently transfer listed Herrera, and obviously we’ve been linked with bringing him back again. What are people’s thoughts on that idea?
Herrera was average as fuck. Overrated by a section of fans because he showed passion and said the right things in interviews.
Interested in your thoughts on Mctominay and Fred
Same as most fans I'd say. We need to upgrade on them to take the next step in our progression. Useful squad players but it isn't a midfield that can drive a team to PL/CL trophies. They're good enough for top 4 and the occasional smaller cup run but nothing more imo
I don't want him back but he wasn't average as fuck.
The Herrera, Matic Pogba midfield was absolutely excellent. Then he goes to PSG and plays regularly, I believe he even started the CL final.
You're short selling him massively.
Meh prefer McT over Herrera
I don't see him being the difference to winning a title, and not sure why you'd want to reinvest a transfer fee and contract in Herrera when you have Fred/McT/Van de Beek and even Garner coming through.
You're going to have to sell one of the aforementioned three (there's no way all 4 receive adequate playing time), and this club hasn't even sold Pereira yet.
Arsenal are pissing away money at this point,they have a creative blackhole and all of their strikers look like subpar right now and they're spending 30 million pounds on Ramsdale.
100m+ spent and their squad is worse than last season
Smith-Rowe is their big hope for this season as a creative outlet. Still might end up going after Maddison as well. Obviously then there's Saka as well.
They do need a keeper - as letting go of Emiliano Martinez last summer was a terrible decision. Leno cant be relied as number one at a top six club.
Can’t see them signing Maddison. The fee will be very high and I don’t really see why Maddison is interested in the move.
Right? Leicester is a mile above Arsenal nowadays, no idea why anyone would leave for them
Lolol so sad
What number is Varane wearing? Hope its not 4, swear that number is cursed.
Looked into it the other day, its more cursed than 7 recently.
Heinze flop and traitor
Hargreaves crook, flop and traitor
Jones king of crooks
> traitor Jones
Im sorry, **what** ?
Their punctuation is as accurate as their take.
Pretty sure it should be (their opinion!): *Veron flop. Heinze flop and traitor. Hargreaves crook, flop and traitor. Jones king of crooks.*
Traitors Hargreaves (to a lesser extent) and Heinze!
Jones in the king of crooks
Clickbait article said he “won’t wear #4, bUt tHe nUmBeR hE WiLL wEaR iS sUrPriSinG”. No mention of the number of course.
Nah man is hella injury prone and very inconsistent, this is a trap by Bayern lol
always skeptical of bayern sales though. Kroos was the only good one that got away in recent memory
And he forced them into it
why does Varane need a two part medical when Messi can get it done in a few hours?
Messi coulda showed up with only one leg and they would’ve cleared him and announced it.
Cos he's such a beast it takes two teams.
Honestly it doesn't matter does it? I'd rather them be safe than sorry.
Because we need to play Varane. Messi playing is a bonus.
I was replying to a comment (about players that should/could have been sold) that has since been deleted and I didn't want to waste it so like an egotistical maniac I shall post it here:
VDB deserves one more chance? He has only been here for a year. It's much too soon to give him his last chance. This year is massive for him and next year if Pogba does leave on a free like I sense he will Donny will be lined up to replace his creativity with a more defensive minded midfielder being brought in.
In my opinion only Andreas and Lingard should be/should have been sold. Andreas just isn't of the quality and while Lingard perhaps is good enough to be a good squad player for us he deserves to start and shine as he did at West Ham. Dalot is still young and could be a good attack minded alternative for AWB. Henderson and De Gea can fight it out for one more year at least until De Gea is sold and Henderson is number 1, predominantly because of his age and the fact Dave's best attributes are ones that I feel may decline most with age. Matic, like Mata, will likely stay until they retire and are good for the young players. Jones I feel will have this season to show if he can stay fit or be a squad member and if not he could even be let go on a free. Has Grant been registered? I thought he was just coaching now?
Our problem is twofold for me and some fans aren't helping. The issue is loads of journalists have said we need to sell to buy this DM, how true that is I'm not sure. It's come from the club I think but the club does lie in its brief.
Let's say it is true and we have to. Cool. Next question is who? Well there's been some truly ludicrous suggestions like martial who for me is a first team depth option we need, we can't decimate the squad for one signing only to cause 8 more issues on the back end same for Donny.
I agree with your assessment about Andreas and Lingard but then we come to our next issue, it's not really a sellers market right now because no one has the money to spend for the what we would want for them.
I do have a feeling that there's a great game of chicken happening across Europe right now, clubs need players, money is tight, I think they're waiting for the end of the window to get a bargain, last week is going to be insane.
Completely agree with you. If be very surprised if we see zero ins or outs over the next couple of weeks.
And yeah of course the club lies in its briefs, there is no way our interest in Trippier has ended for one - we just want Atlético to lower their price. I wouldn't be shocked (but I'd be very happy) if before the window shuts we bring in Trippier for around £20m and a midfielder (my first choice of those we have been mainly linked with is Neves for £35m what a bargain) and Dalot, Jesse and Andreas leaving for maybe £30-40m combined.
Selling Lingard makes sense to me. His value is high coming off of last season and at most he would be a squad player for us. We have a lot of young depth in our attacking midfield and I would rather them get the minutes than Lingard.
In my opinion we should move Andreas/Lingard/Jones/De Gea as soon as possible then reinvest that money in a ST/CDM/backup RB. De Gea will be hard to get a transfer fee because of his wages and a loan + option to buy might be the best we get for Andreas/Jones but it would still be better than letting them go on a free after paying them to sit on the bench.
Striker won't be done this summer. All in for Haaland next year. DDG is guaranteed to stay too. Again, next year, I think he will leave. Don't get me wrong if this was Football Manager I'd have Matic, Mata, Andreas, Jones, Dalot, Lingard all our but it doesn't work that way. As I said Jones will be given this season, as will Dalot if we sign no other RB and they will most likely leave next summer. Lingard and Andreas have to go for me and fingers crossed once that is done we can bring in Neves. I'd be very happy with that squad for this season.
lol it was my post - seems people were not getting the gist of what I was trying to say - seems everyone took it as negative rant against the squad - which it wasnt!
The point was, there are a bunch of players who 'could' (not saying 'should') have been sold - to open up slots in squad - and also that could have given us further funds to bolster midfielder / back up RW positions which seems to have been abandoned now - due to the lack of outgoings.
Yeah no idea why you were getting downvoted so much
Surprised West Ham is not in for Lingard, given that they have European football this season and only about 17 players in the squad.
Their 2 co-owners are in a takeover war, kind of. It seems the 2 owners wanna sell, there is a buyer, consortium, wanna bid, but the 2 owners claim that the buyer actually do not have the fund to buy.
I kind of feel that, they owners do not want to spend more, before they sell the club.
> but the 2 owners claim that the buyer actually do not have the fund to buy.
It's possible, I've seen it before.
We want too much money and they have a million attackers already (Antonio, Yarmolenko, Benrahma, Bowen, Fornals, Lanzini). Sure Lingard said he's happy to stay and fight for his place too.
They need a centre back more right now and a striker,their transfer budget isn't that much so it makes sense that they're not going after him right now.