TIL In black swans around one-quarter of all pairings are homosexual, mostly between males. Male couples steal nests, or form temporary threesomes with females to obtain eggs, driving away the female after she lays the eggs.
By - james8475
Tell me something I don't know
Without mucus, your stomach would digest itself.
I know this all too well 😭
The Tiare 'Apetahi flower is a singularly unique flower shape, wherein the complete flower only ever grows petals on one side in a 180 degree arc. The flower is also exceptionally temperamental about its growing conditions and will generally not grow outside of a single mountainside on a single island in Tahiti.
edit: did I miss the word "well" at the end of their post? Yes. Yes, I did. But now you all know about a pretty flower.
This is it:
Thank you. Trying to envision it from reading the description at 8:30 in the morning, I immediately thought, okay, I just need a picture.
We have the same thought process apparently, I stopped trying and went for the link
I'm saving this so I can remember what to call someone one they are being a diva.
The folklore behind the flower is that a woman ran away to the mountains to commit suicide after her husband beat or cheated on her (I'm not sure). She cut off her hand and buried it with the palm facing the sky. Then she killed herself.
The next morning, some visitors camping on the mountain were awakened by a "pop" sound. Going to look, they discovered the tiare 'apetahi bush. They ran and told the husband. And he went to try and bring it to his home
But try as he might, every plant he moved died, and would only grown on the mountain.
The pop is the sound of the flower opening apparently
This gave me the sudden urge to study plant biology, travel to Tahiti to study this plant, then find a way to grow it in my house or yard. But.... I think I'll just keep sipping my coffee and sitting here on Reddit instead.
My house currently has about 300 plant species, 50+ of which are vulnerable to endangered or unclassified. Enjoy the coffee. The plant addiction can get real
Sounds like you need to gulp more snot.
Thank God for allergies. I think im set.
Believe nothing you read on reddit without doing a little careful scientific research of your own. You would be surprised what is full of shit.
Mucus is amazing!
And it's everywhere!
Smile and wave, boys! Smile and wave!
holy shit I thought you made that username up for this post.
I actually find this more amazing than the camp swans.
If you're on reddit long enough the post that was *meant* for your username will come along too /u/Ok_Finger7484
If I sit by controversial every post is for me.
And a six year history! Been ready for this post for a while.
That you shouldn’t cool down wool from the dyer quickly and that it’s not kosher to store dairy products with meat. See; Wikipedia for more.
> wool from the dyer
YOU ABSOLUTE FCKING SAVAGE
Wait, why would God care how you keep / preserve food?
Six thousand years ago food cross contamination happened to be more serious.
It's still pretty serious, but now we have refrigerators, better preservatives, pasteurization, and of course hospitals.
Most religious dietary restrictions are early food safety regulations. They're written into religious doctrine because they didn't have the scientific knowledge back then to justify the rules through reason, so they relied on religion to provide the social power to get people to follow them.
Wait, people throw wool in the dryer?
I don't think dyer was a typo- freshly dyed wool is allowed to cool slowly and most wool shouldn't go through the dryer
Could have been D'yer Mak'er, I wouldn't want to throw Led Zeppelin in the washer, or the dryer.
When I read the comment you wrote here, it made me mad, mad, mad
When I read the news that you told me, it made me sad sad sad.
Small music fact: D'yer Mak'er is pronounced like Jamaica with an English accent. That's what D'yer Mak'er means. Jamaica. With an accent.
People tend to throw wet clothing in the dryer unless it's explained why they shouldn't, yes.
Wool shrinks in the dryer.
That around 90,000 years ago, humans almost went extinct. Something bad happened and our numbers dropped dramatically, although we're still not sure what caused this.
Does this event have a name? I'm interested in reading more about this but my Google skills must be lacking today. Could only find an article about it on Business Insider.
Username checks out
Could have been waiting years for just this moment to shine.
*queue Phil Collins*
WELL I REMEMBER
I REMEMBER DON'T WORRY
How could I ever forget ?
It’s a six-year old account, so that’s a really long con, if true.
Wow never has a username checked out like this one. Even in the emo/black trait. Impressive.
I once opened mouth kissed a horse
How long have you been waiting for this moment?
I open mouth kissed a horse once.
/r/beetlejuicing can be shut down. I think we have a winner.
That username +1
Fly my pretties, fly!
human fetuses form arsehole-first, and some people never really grow up beyond stage.
They’re preaching to the gay swan choir here.
Help, girlfriend is crying after finding this out.
I live in Western Australia, home of the gay black swans. Please reassure her the swans here seem pretty happy.
Well the males do anyway...
And the interior decoration is spot on!
No way are they happy, black swans are the meanest birds on earth.
Canadian geese: Am I a joke to you?
They aren't citizens.
I wouldn't say that out loud if I were you. Never know from where one strikes
Well they are happy, The neighbors... not so much.
THERE's the callback I was expecting.
It's such an old reference but was also my first thought
Got a link? I don’t recognize this one.
Remember when 9700 upvotes was an insane amount? Goddamn inflation has ruined the upvote economy.
There it is, the /r/funny post that's actually funny. Rarer than winning the lotto.
Mods please remove this post, it's breaking the rules of /r/funny
Thanks Obama these gay swans got me cryin in my 2 AM chili, gonna have to wash it off with ice soap 😭🥺😂
Search for “gay swans crying girlfriend”
(Edit: wife not GF. My bad.)
And now I'm on another list.
5 years? Old?
That's like....75 years in internet time.
And she'll cry an hour later when she remembers it again
Did you know, swans can be gay?
"...driving away the female after she lays the eggs."
It was as plain as the Ann on Egg’s face
Ann hog’s coming ?
Check who's on the that hog back there.
20 minutes to Legolaaand.
Way to plant Ann
Is she funny or something?
She calls it a mayo-egg
Be gay, do crimes
In a way, evolutionarily, this is a win for the female. Now someone else is raising her young. Minimal Investment for her, but still a good shot at passing on her genes.
"Web page not available"
Remember it's title so I can Google it?
I wonder what the selection pressures were that drove this adaptation.
It’s possible it just allows for more flexibility to support child rearing and more eggs become chicks. A female kicked off a nest can now get pregnant again. So if there are more males than females this phenomenon maximizes output. If there are more females than males it would result in unfaithful, carousing males — which seems like a good thing to do a behavioral study on.
Either this occurs only when there are more males as a survival mechanism or it happens as some random mutation that doesn’t impact the number of chicks that are raised so it doesn’t evolve away. There are a lot of genetic traits that fall into this latter category— especially those that evolve by sexual selection like the Peacock’s plumage or the proboscis monkey’s nose.
But I don't get how this "black gay swan gene" is getting propagated if they spend all their effort raising other swan's children?
Unless we're just talking about a small portion of swans and it's only notable because white swan's don't do this.
/u/xydanil mentioned whats called kin selection, which is what tends to be a common argument for why homosexuality (and traits that reduce reproduction for an individual more generally) is evolutionarily conserved. Theres some criticism of this idea, especially applying it to humans, but it goes like:
You and all your siblings share half your DNA (on average). If a mutant makes you sterile, but helps your siblings make more children, then theres about a 25% chance each of their kids has the gene that wouldve made you sterile. Because of this, as long as that gene leads to your sibling producing 2 extra kids, it should survive in the population in the long run.
Not just the survival of siblings and nephews/nieces, but of the broader community at large. Kin selection is also used to explain the existence of altruism and other social behaviors in animal life (human and otherwise).
the case above is using Hamilton's rule so relatedness is important
...well, hello there, Baader-Meinhof Phenomenon.
>If a mutant makes you sterile,
Scary phrase without context. I'm sure the next sentence clears it up...
> but helps your siblings make more children
> Oh no.....
As in, the gay relative helps the straight relatives stay well fed, healthy, and safe, meaning they're less likely to die and will have an easier time finding a mate.
It’s closer to “black bisexual Swan gene” as sometimes they mate with a female in order to get her to lay eggs. As for why this gene is getting propagated, it might be carried by the female of the species or at the very least is so beneficial to the survival of the female that it has propagated throughout the gene pool.
For a female of the species, laying eggs and then being kicked out of the nest (which means no requirement to raise the offspring) is a significant survival advantage.
Also let's not forget that things only don't get passed on if they're definitely 100% fatal. Something that's an active detriment, so long as it's not 100% fatal prior to breeding, has a chance of being passed along.
It's less survival of the fittest and more survival of the good enough.
Calling it survival of the fittest is survivor bias...
>It’s closer to “black bisexual Swan gene” as sometimes they mate with a female in order to get her to lay eggs.
Good to see even swans get the bisexual erasure treatment.
If you’re gay for pay it doesn’t count.
Everyone's gay for pay, you just sometimes get paid in emotions.
Everyone is gay for pay. Everyone just has a different price. Mines €100,000. I’ll do anything but toss your salad for that price. Throw in an extra €10k and I’ll pretend I’m enjoying it too.
This guy gays.
Only for pay.
A rimjob on a clean butt isn't that bad. Definitely worth doing for 100k (considering most of us do it for free). I would say being fucked in the ass (for the first time when you don't want it) is much more traumatic that giving a rimjob. Even with lube and a moderate penis, anal sex is painful at first and if this guy's paying 100k, he likely won't be gentle.
I hate it when the John’s try to haggle. If you want your butt licked its €110,000 and that’s that.
Jesus, finger the man first, you animal.
>But I don't get how this "black gay swan gene" is getting propagated if they spend all their effort raising other swan's children?
How does the drone bee DNA get propagated if only queens procreate?
A gay child isn't necessarily the result of parents with gay genes. A gay child may be the result of genes coded to trigger via certain environmental cues that are found in non-gay members of the species.
For instance, we have evidence that shows that the more older brothers a man has, the more likely he is to be gay. This suggests epigenetic factors in the mother play a role.
Because siblings can pass on your genes too. In fact, the whole reason bees form colonies is because workers are closer related to each other than to their own mother or children.
So who knocks up the lady swan? Someone in the bonded pair has to do the dirty deed.
I really like the phrase, “So who knocks up the lady swan?”
\-"So if there are more males than females this phenomenon maximizes output"
I've read a similar theory for why homosexuality develops seemingly randomly among human populations no matter where you are.
Humans have the trait that there is an extremely high effort required to raise an offspring to adulthood. No other animal requires such a long period of parental care. One of the unusual features of humans is the menopause. Most other animals remain fertile right up until they die. One hypothesis for why the menopause exists in humans is the grandmother effect, that is that no longer fertile grandparents helping in raising the children of their offspring gives a better change that the genetic line will be successful. The concept of kin selection, that is the contribution towards raising offspring by gay aunts and uncles, also helps with the overall success of the genetic line. It would be interesting to see if there is any correlation between rates of homosexual behaviour in different species and the amount of parental effort required to raise offspring.
Biochemical evidence for this hypothesis was identified in 2017, finding mothers with a gay son, particularly those with older brothers, had heightened levels of antibodies to the NLGN4Y Y-protein than mothers with heterosexual sons.
The effect becomes stronger with each additional male pregnancy, with odds of the next son being gay increasing by 38–48%. This does not mean that all or most sons will be gay after several male pregnancies, but rather, the odds of having a gay son increase from approximately 2% for the first born son, to 3% for the second, 5% for the third and so on.
Homosexual females exist.
From what I’ve read, cygnets of homosexual pairs have a higher likelihood of surviving to adulthood. This is thought to be because two male swans would be better able to defend a nest due to the fact that male swans are larger than female swans. Black swans also tend to be more social with other swans than other kinds of swans (mute, black neck, etc) meaning that two males would be more likely to be in the same vicinity without fighting. Not to say that doesn’t happen, but that it’s less likely.
It’s more likely that two males can more easily take resources from others with fewer repercussions.
Honestly, it's pretty good for fitness, isn't it? Male swans are larger and stronger than females - so two dads can likely defend the cygnets more effectively.
If the gay swans steal a nest, they may actually increase the survival rate of the cygnets.
If the gay swans do surrogacy, the female is actually free of parenting duties - her genes live on with two dads, and she can always lay more eggs with someone else. If the gay dads are taking turns to engage the surrogate, both of their genes get passed on too.
So, honestly... no one seems to lose in this situation!
Found the Strayan
Males are powerful and have more mana, being able to destroy threats to the eggs more effectively.
Dunno about that all swans seen scary tbh
I remember reading as well that lots of animals practice mostly homosexual grooming and sex outside of mating season and only come together with the opposite sex during mating season. Giraffes being one good example, with most 'off season' parings being lesbian
Birds don't need encouragement to be massive assholes.
Black Swan Threesome would make a killer band name
Dark swan throuple is my favourite ice cream flavour.
Not many like the bold flavor of lickerish but I do.
Or an awesome Natalie Portman/Mila Kunis sequel!
I'd like to petition Margot Robbie as the 3rd in the sequel.
But Olivia Wilde
Basically straight swans get endless child free sex and date nights but still propagate the swan progeny? Not a bad deal.
Sounds like biology had all this figured out before conservatives started thinking.
Lol but just imagine the Headlines: "The black gays are coming for your kids" literally this shit writes itself
Next step is convert all the gay black swans into Communist Muslims.
Wait. When did they start thinking?
The gay agenda at work
Black gay agenda. They're coming for your kids.
What is meant by homosexual in this case? I mean is there actual sex happening between the males somehow or are they just in a caretaker partnership?
Swans (and a few other bird species) pair-bond for life. What that means is they select one partner to spend their life with. When one half of a pairbond dies, the survivor usually starves to death out of grief. S o, in this case homosexual means two male birds pairbond and are basically bird married. I'm not sure if swans have casual sex though.
Here's a [1981 study on the matter](https://sci-hub.se/10.1071/WR9810135)
>The homosexual pair: two males maintaining a stable association were always a formidable combination for other swans. These would indulge frequently in greeting ceremony and often in extended precopulatory display, which occasionally erupted into an intense fight when one bird attempted to mount the other.
It's cause they forgot to honk "no homo" isn't it
So they would do a lot of foreplay but when it got down to business, no one wants to be bottom.
This makes me wonder if they're homosexual in the since we think of, only desiring the same sex, assuming you can attribute desire to swans or if it's simply because they liked or got along with that swan best. Like if you could get them to bond a second time would they still pick a male mate.
Oh my god, they were bondmates.
In general you shouldn’t project/assume human-like motives or interpretations for animal behavior. Hell, you shouldn’t make too many assumptions about human behavior.
Yeah, sounds a lot like this. If it’s a *quarter* of all pairs, then it sounds like the mate selection process is completely fiddy-fiddy random for males.
Homoromantic, then, more than homosexual.
EDIT: Apologies for my potentially black-swan-bi-erasure.
When two swans love each other very much...
they steal a baby.
Homosexuality is more than sex acts, although animals engage in that too. It has to do with romantic relationships as well. So even if the two male geese don’t have sexual acts between them, which we know MANY animals engage in with the same sex, they can still be a “homosexual pair”.
In animals with closely bonded relationships similar to our own this would be analogous to a homosexual partnership with two asexual men. You can love and care for someone of the own sex and raise children with them and groom them, cuddle them and do all the same behaviors a heterosexual relationship does and be homosexual without sex. So by all definitions that we would recognize, this is a homosexual pairing.
This entire discussion requires framing through the human lens of understanding relationships because well… we can’t look at it any other way. We necessarily have a bias that anthropomorphizes things when we attempt to relate to them.
Sometimes though we try to force human relationship categories onto other animal species where there is not a clear cut analogous pairing. For example, some insect females kill and consume the male partner after mating. Some species can change reproductive genders under certain environmental pressures. There is no human analog for these things.
It sounds like they're not asexual, that quote said they tried to mount each other but fight instead, but remained pair bonded.
I’m not saying they are or aren’t. Just explaining that actual sexual actions don’t factor into discussions of homosexuality if we have longterm relationship bonding and behavior that is identical to male-female pairs.
Apperently bros before hoes is a law of nature
Not so much a law as a guideline.
We’re going to need an expert in bird law to settle this shit
Which begs the real question.
Bird person or Harvey Birdman Attorney at Law?
Bird person is going to have the Bird law skills and Harvey can navigate it's implications within Human law.
Stop, you're going to make me cry.
We've been on reddit too long
>Male couples steal nests, or (...) drive away the female after she lays the eggs.
TIL gay swans are assholes.
Here's the old post a lot of people are referencing about a redditor's wife crying because "She found out swans can be gay and thought it was really nice" https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/3txkhp/my_wife_cries_at_absolutely_anything_i_mean/
THEY GOT CHEMICALS IN THE WATER TURNING THE FREAKIN' GEESE GAY
Despite making up 25% of the population, gay black swans commit 100% of egg thefts.
Swans, while being a beautiful animal, are real assholes.
I've seen them eat little baby ducks.
Now the Christians will be coming after the swans.
In bird culture, this is considered a dick move.
Does the female find a new mate the next season? Don't they mate for life, I'm just wondering of this fucks up the female when the male leaves
Penguins do this shit too.
Don't know if it's a good thing to use as an argument.
"So you're telling us that homosexual birds kidnap children?"
On swan reddit there's a post on a relationship advice sub going: "I met this really good looking boy and he's sort of my boyfriend now and I say sort of because he's *really* close with this other guy and I feel like *I'm* the one infringing on *their* relationship instead of the other way round, he says he wants to have babies with me and whilst I feel like that should affirm *our* relationship his friend and him *always* share this real weird look should I go for it?"
And in the replies it's full of other swans going "Gurl RUN. This entire relationship is *full* of red flags, he wants to *steal* your babies."
That’s right bitch. Thems my eggs now!
Also, ballet. (I googled 'black swan' - there's a lot of ballet.)
The gays love ballet :)
This seems very Reddit.
Because this fact was posted before and was all over the front page. It also spawned a bunch of memes and other posts about swans being gay.
I can find a lot of examples of this in the popular press, but none of them seem to cite an original source for the one-quarter figure.
That they do it sometimes is certainly true - I can find the cites for that. But the one-quarter figure, I cannot. I wonder if this is a case of [citogenesis.](https://xkcd.com/978/)
Now I'm crying again
be gay, do (swan) crime